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bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#76New Post! Oct 28, 2012 @ 18:58:02
@shinobinoz Said


I'm quite sure that the usa & UK are going to be taken over not just by Muslims but terrorists!


Am I speaking of capability or of intent? Do you even know the difference?
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#77New Post! Oct 29, 2012 @ 00:27:28
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Could you perhaps, explain to me, in what sense Iran is a democracy? You obviously define democracy in a way in which I do not.


I would say supporting tyrants is the opposite of a democratically elected person (even if they are not the person we like over here in another country).
Wouldn't you?

You said you'd support the tyrant. What gives?
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#78New Post! Oct 29, 2012 @ 00:29:03
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Am I speaking of capability or of intent? Do you even know the difference?


You tell us. You are the one selling the sky is falling Muslim take over koolaide, not me.
Electric_Banana On February 05, 2024




, New Zealand
#79New Post! Oct 29, 2012 @ 00:35:35
It woulda been funnier had Obama bounced a peanut off of Romney's forehead during an aired debate.
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#80New Post! Oct 29, 2012 @ 07:38:22
@shinobinoz Said

I would say supporting tyrants is the opposite of a democratically elected person (even if they are not the person we like over here in another country).
Wouldn't you?

You said you'd support the tyrant. What gives?


Well, there are different types of tyrant that have operated in the Middle East - for example, those with a penchant for proselytising, usually by acts of extreme violence - Ahmadinejad, Muhammad, Abu Bakr, a host of Ottoman Caliphs and so on are a few examples of that. They have brutalised dissidents and persons not of their brand of Islamic faith at home, and attacked the Jews, attacked Africans, attacked Europeans (the Ottomans held a large part of Spain and right through Eastern Europe for a century or four) away from home.

Then you have those tyrants that merely brutalise their own people, and occasionally whack other Muslim nations - call it self interest, but I know which option is the more pleasing as far as I am concerned.

Pragmatic self interest dictates you back the dictator who will afford the most peace. Again, when one option is merely bad, and the other is potentially catastrophic, I prefer the bad option.
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#81New Post! Oct 29, 2012 @ 19:29:46
@Leon Said

I read this and read that, coming from a man who believed that slavery was wrong, was trying to figure out the best way to end it and the best way to minimize the hardness they would go through after being freed. He was being practical in trying to find a real solution to make his vision of the freedom and happiness of blacks really manifest itself rather than just remain as a dream.

Do you have a better solution than either his suggested proposals you posted or what he actually end up doing?



You're correct Leon, at least he did do something to help slavery, and that I respect. What I meant to say was that I lost respect for what he 'said' not what he did! His actions speaks to the heart of what he did to free slaves. Unlike some founders who owned slaves, said they knew it was wrong & did NOTHING!
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#82New Post! Oct 29, 2012 @ 23:11:50
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Well, there are different types of tyrant that have operated in the Middle East - for example, those with a penchant for proselytising, usually by acts of extreme violence - Ahmadinejad, Muhammad, Abu Bakr, a host of Ottoman Caliphs and so on are a few examples of that. They have brutalised dissidents and persons not of their brand of Islamic faith at home, and attacked the Jews, attacked Africans, attacked Europeans (the Ottomans held a large part of Spain and right through Eastern Europe for a century or four) away from home.

Then you have those tyrants that merely brutalise their own people, and occasionally whack other Muslim nations - call it self interest, but I know which option is the more pleasing as far as I am concerned.

Pragmatic self interest dictates you back the dictator who will afford the most peace. Again, when one option is merely bad, and the other is potentially catastrophic, I prefer the bad option.

Who you gonna bomb?
Leon On December 21, 2023




San Diego, California
#83New Post! Oct 30, 2012 @ 00:33:03
@Spinkiegirl Said

You're correct Leon, at least he did do something to help slavery, and that I respect. What I meant to say was that I lost respect for what he 'said' not what he did! His actions speaks to the heart of what he did to free slaves. Unlike some founders who owned slaves, said they knew it was wrong & did NOTHING!


Well his heart was in the right place, and what he proposed initially was just coming from that same heart. When he saw that the proposal wasn't feasible, then he moved on to something more feasible, which is what he ended up carrying out.
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#84New Post! Oct 30, 2012 @ 05:02:25
@shinobinoz Said

Who you gonna bomb?



Me personally? No one. However, I 100% support Israel's right to launch a full pre-emptive strike against Iran. That Ahmadinejad would nuke Israel if he got the chance is pretty much a forgone conclusion, - he has said it it often enough in Arabic. And, that Iran is actively working on gaining nuclear weapons, whilst not a forgone conclusion, is about as certain as things can be in these types of matters.

Israel's Prime Minster Netanyahu has certainly flagged the possibility of a pre-emptive strike, and I really do not see a better option. Waiting to see if Iran would use their nuclear capability is not an option, as again, Ahmadinejad has said several times that he would. And, I doubt that anyone could say, and be both knowledgeable and serious, that Iran is a better nation than Israel.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#85New Post! Oct 30, 2012 @ 23:23:21
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Me personally? No one. However, I 100% support Israel's right to launch a full pre-emptive strike against Iran. That Ahmadinejad would nuke Israel if he got the chance is pretty much a forgone conclusion, - he has said it it often enough in Arabic. And, that Iran is actively working on gaining nuclear weapons, whilst not a forgone conclusion, is about as certain as things can be in these types of matters.

Israel's Prime Minster Netanyahu has certainly flagged the possibility of a pre-emptive strike, and I really do not see a better option. Waiting to see if Iran would use their nuclear capability is not an option, as again, Ahmadinejad has said several times that he would. And, I doubt that anyone could say, and be both knowledgeable and serious, that Iran is a better nation than Israel.


Stupid is a stupid does.
This policy reminds me of the cartoon of two people with their bows & arrows drawn and pointing right at each other.
One says "The harder I pull the safer I feel"
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#86New Post! Oct 31, 2012 @ 01:32:54
@shinobinoz Said

Stupid is a stupid does.
This policy reminds me of the cartoon of two people with their bows & arrows drawn and pointing right at each other.
One says "The harder I pull the safer I feel"



A lovely but typically pointless left wing anecdote replete with delusions that the world is what they believe it to be, as opposed to being what it is.

Ahmadinejad is, at best, a psychopath. He knows that instigating a mass slaughter of Jews will herald the advent of the much anticipated Mahdi who will lead the slaughter against all of the Jews and Christians of the world, because Islam's holy texts say that this is what will happen. We know Ahmadinejad believes it, because he has often said he does, and, when it comes to psychopaths of this kind, I think it is reasonable to take them at their word in these matters.

Now, Israel may not be perfect, however, there can be no debate about the intent of Israel toward its Muslim neighbours. Despite the tens of thousands of Muslims that joined the Nazi party to exterminate Jews world wide, and despite being repeatedly invaded by Islamic nations, and despite having thousand of rockets every year fired at civilian targets without any provocation, and despite having had total military supremacy for decades, and despite knowing that Islam has as a primary goal the complete genocidal massacre of every Jew on the planet, Israel has never sought to eradicate Islam.

Iran (and a host of other Muslim nations as well for that matter), on the other hand, has sought to eradicate Israel, and will do so again, barring some kind of miracle.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#87New Post! Oct 31, 2012 @ 22:54:45
@bob_the_fisherman Said

A lovely but typically pointless left wing anecdote replete with delusions that the world is what they believe it to be, as opposed to being what it is.

Ahmadinejad is, at best, a psychopath. He knows that instigating a mass slaughter of Jews will herald the advent of the much anticipated Mahdi who will lead the slaughter against all of the Jews and Christians of the world, because Islam's holy texts say that this is what will happen. We know Ahmadinejad believes it, because he has often said he does, and, when it comes to psychopaths of this kind, I think it is reasonable to take them at their word in these matters.

Now, Israel may not be perfect, however, there can be no debate about the intent of Israel toward its Muslim neighbours. Despite the tens of thousands of Muslims that joined the Nazi party to exterminate Jews world wide, and despite being repeatedly invaded by Islamic nations, and despite having thousand of rockets every year fired at civilian targets without any provocation, and despite having had total military supremacy for decades, and despite knowing that Islam has as a primary goal the complete genocidal massacre of every Jew on the planet, Israel has never sought to eradicate Islam.

Iran (and a host of other Muslim nations as well for that matter), on the other hand, has sought to eradicate Israel, and will do so again, barring some kind of miracle.


And you can throw Romney in the mix. He's more likely than any of the above to actually START that war.
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#88New Post! Nov 01, 2012 @ 05:58:20
@shinobinoz Said

And you can throw Romney in the mix. He's more likely than any of the above to actually START that war.




You really need to stop listening to the unicorn of PC knowledge and learn something.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#89New Post! Nov 02, 2012 @ 00:03:44
@bob_the_fisherman Said



You really need to stop listening to the unicorn of PC knowledge and learn something.


Nah, I'm leaving that to you!
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#90New Post! Nov 02, 2012 @ 01:34:18
@Leon Said

Well his heart was in the right place, and what he proposed initially was just coming from that same heart. When he saw that the proposal wasn't feasible, then he moved on to something more feasible, which is what he ended up carrying out.



You know Leon, it pains me to say, that someone's "heart was in the right place" is what I find in most people i've come across in my life say! And I agree with what you said here. As for me however.....I agree more what you said to me a few posts back about the ACTIONS of a person, compared to what comes out of their mouths, is what I RESPECT & HONOR most in any human being. And while Lincoln did prove his intentions of the issue of slavery, he did act on some of those believes he held. And that is where he earns my respect! You have a great sense of compassion & knowledge of what these race issues are about & how things came to be due to that evil time in our history! And I greatly appreciate that!
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