The Shocking Data on Black-on-Black Crime

@MAW Said

So why does the black guy in the song say white people should be proud of our white skin, in the same way he is proud of our black?

@white_swan53 Said

If what you say is the way 'black culture' is thought of, then all I can say is ' that really sucks big green donkey d***s'.
I have never thought of culture in the context of how much money or education any group or race does or does not have . I understand what you are saying but am not able to change what I have always known culture to be. I live in what is considered a ' multi cultural part of the nation. by that I mean the cultures are older then time and are native ( for lack of a better word) to this country. We have the different Pueblo nations all along the Rio Grande and the Navajo nation and Apache nation . These cultures are not transplanted from somewhere else , they have been a part of this country since before recorded history. Within a mile of my house in any direction a person cares to go are petroglyphs dating back to the prehistoric White Sands Anastasie's in the northern parts they are called Sandia Anastasie's. Any one who is inclined to pay attention and see what is here to see can follow the Anastasie's as they moved from place to place as they depleted the resources in an area . It took them several generations to do this simply because they never had the issue of greed or hunting for sport . The pueblo nations didn't have the issue of depleting resources because they had an unlimited water supply. Up here in the mountains in this country the springs dried up or went underground , the animals followed the water and the people followed the people followed the animals.
The way of life , the ceremonies all of them , the way they made their tools and weapons .. that's what I have always known as culture. The different nations and the way they still make their baskets and jewelry and keep the ways that have come down from generation to generation for thousands of years that is what culture has always been to me.
So, for a race's culture to be depicted in the context of how much money they have in their pockets or how much book learning as a group they have seems pretty insulting . IMO

@someone_else Said

Which is not my fault.

@Tar Said

You know, I understand what you are saying and it is totally right. You're speaking in the method of a classic anthropologist in which the definition of a culture is all encompassing of an entire civilization. I am speaking more in the manner of a "group behavior". Suffice it to say that semantics are probably making our communication seem more like cross talk. You are looking at the macroview (thousands of years and entire civilizations) and I am looking at a microview (decades at max and a relatively small percentage of population). I think the parallel between what you are saying and what I might talk about would be African culture which are the depictions of the old dresses and tribal dances, the drumming music, the weapons of war, the stories passed on generation to generation, etc. Definitions of "culture" in that vein cannot exist in the US because the US is less than 2.5 centuries old and still changing. Everyone in the US is a transplant. There are no indigenous people here. The closest to that would be the native americans who arrived some time around 1100 AD (across the Bering Strait) and some around 600 AD (from South America). I digress, the "black culture" I am referring to is not the grand scale culture you are referencing; so for semantics, lets just call it behavioral patterns.

@Spinkiegirl Said

HUH??? Who said anything about being "stupid???" Besides, I don't personally know any "stupid" folks of ANY color or race! I happen to believe it's RUDE as hell to call folks names like that!

@white_swan53 Said

I do understand what you are saying it's just that, I started to just make mention about the prehistoric man and the signs and ruins he left to show for his time spent here, but , once I got started ,,,well it is like ' Help I'm typing and can't shut up"
So, would it be a safe bet to say that the issue of black on black violence/crime is behavioral patterns , passed down from generation to generation ? And if so, then it is a black community issue that has o be dealt with from within the black community , right?

@Tar Said

I want to add though, that this is not something that is merely attributable to "black on black" violence only as it is universal.

@white_swan53 Said

For several centuries , 14 I think I read, before the first European white man ever owned an African slave .
Africans had been making war on other Africans and capturing them for sell to buyers in the Middle east . After the Europeans got involved the practise of Africans attacking other African specifically for capture of slaves for sale increased .
In history books from the time line of the Atlantic slave trade there are several reports of black people owning black slaves and treating them just as bad as any white slave owner ever treated a slave. So, black on black violence has been happening since before recorded history.
I will rephrase my earlier statement ,
It seems that the issue of black on black violence/crime is behavioral patterns and has been passed down from generation to generation . This being the case, isn't it a black community issue that has to be dealt with from within the black community ?

While it can be said that most all races have at some point in time had the same practise of attacking members of the same ethnic group , like for example , native Americans nations making raids on other nations , great Briton making war on most of the world , It can also be said that most all other ethnic groups/ cultures/ races has not continued in a consistent way the violence.

@Tar Said

as strange as it sounds, I think you kind of answered your own question. The parallels between the native american tribes attacking other native american tribes is effectively the same as the african tribes attacking other tribes. The reason, from what I remember at least, for the violence between tribes was that some tribes were more peaceful and did not behave violently, whereas some of the tribes (zulus for example) were extremely warlike. It is similar to the Iroquoi vs Algonquins in which the Iroquoi were very warlike and enslaved and murdered the peaceful algonquin. Makes me think of that movie, Apocalypto. Anyway, the point is, tribal nature narrowed the groups down even more than "race". Tribes divided up larger groups of people whom an outside would see the same. Its like that saying of all chinese people look the same. Well, chinese tribes would essentially divide up and break up a "homogenous" group into a heterogenous one via tribe separation thus creating a possibility for chinese on chinese violence which does happen (think Triad gangs). The fact is that all cultures have some lingering degree of tribalism. Look at the middle east where the sunnis and shiites are at war. The wahabis are killing the soofis. To us pale skin round eyed westerners, they all look the same, but in the tribal mind, they are all different. The tribal warfare is not exclusive to "blacks" rather it is to all. In whites, weren't the jews pale skin? Aren't russians white yet they were slaughtered by german nazi soldiers. Granted that this was state level, but you can see the parallels can't you? Tribalism is a form of "government" on a smaller scale and going to state level is just a bigger version of the same thing

@white_swan53 Said

But, the difference between the native American nations violence on their less war like neighbors and the African violence on their less war like neighbors is that the native americans have stopped the practise and it still continues to this day for the Africans , both here in America and in Africa.

@Tar Said

Native american society is more advanced than african society thus tribalism is not as strong in NAs at it is Africans. This is also why tribalism still exists as virulently in the middle east with the different islamic tribes as it does in the african region