No ... you are trying to say that rational people DO NOT believe in God. Sorry I just don't agree.
At least this is what I think you meant...since you won't tell me what YOU THINK RATIONAL MEANS ... it means I have to guess.
Rational, from my understanding, means being able to discern what is real from what is delusional.
But you actually made a good point with the question "What is rational?" because as it stands no one actually has a set standard or solid definition for reality.
Rational, from my understanding, means being able to discern what is real from what is delusional.
But you actually made a good point with the question "What is rational?" because as it stands no one actually has a set standard or solid definition for reality.
So if God exists and I believe he exists then I am actually the more rational one.
Bottom line is the closed my belief system matches reality the more rational I am.
No ... you are trying to say that rational people DO NOT believe in God.
I won't speak for her, but personally I don't understand how you got that out of her post:
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I don't see how your comments are rational. But one thing we agree on is that God loves everybody. God does not kill people because he doesn't like them. People do that.
You ARE existing on Earth for your benefit. You just don't appreciate the gift. There are people who are dying everyday who wish they could have one more day. Look for the positives in your life.
She openly acknowledges her belief in the existence of God by saying "God loves everybody" and does not kill people because he doesn't like them.
I claim doubt that there actually is a concious god because there is a lot of surreal and useless things in our existence, such as myself.
Chaski may or may not have dropped a virus in the thread
and
Glenn holds firm there is a god
So coming in between all of the extremes we can summarize that something has made all of this but a lot of what was made really serves no practical purpose or use and it's all just a random conglomerate placing of strange useless things.
Chaski, the Kudos....was that agreeing that everything is "Katamari Damacy" or agreeing that you planted a virus in this thread?
Ladies and Gentlemen, I've had a new dawning of understanding. Nothing is intentional - s*** happens as it can happen but is not blue printed or premeditated.
I claim doubt that there actually is a concious god because there is a lot of surreal and useless things in our existence, such as myself.
Chaski may or may not have dropped a virus in the thread
and
Glenn holds firm there is a god
So coming in between all of the extremes we can summarize that something has made all of this but a lot of what was made really serves no practical purpose or use and it's all just a random conglomerate placing of strange useless things.
Like Katamari Damacy
BUT, what... or who... is god?
Some old guy with a beard sitting on a throne in heaven? Kind of sounds like Zeus.
Some mystical all knowing being without form?
Creator... NO. That is a function not a description.
And as Glen always asks, "how do you know?" Be specific. Based on a book?
A divinely inspired book? How do you know that (especially if "you" have not read it or studied its history)? Who (be specific) decided it was holy and divinely inspired? Who exactly? Your minister/preacher/priest? How do you know "he" is right? What has "he" done that proves his version?
A book... which one? the protestant, catholic, eastern othodox, gnostic gospels... which version...? How do you know that YOUR version is the right one? Who told you? And what is/was "his" authority? Did you study it? Read it? Study its history? Why are you right and others are wrong? Did you get a message from your god? "He" talks to you? How do you know?
Many religions claim, or have claimed, inspiration, perfection, etc.
And so, as the philosopher who long before me realized that he 'is' because he thinks,
I have concluded that not everything serves a purpose or a reason. Most of it just happens and oh well.
Like the "I think there for I am" guy, I am a living example of something with no practical use or purpose so there for there is not a purpose to all and everything.
I'm definitely not still existing on "Earth" for MY benefit, I can promise you that.
Goes back to what a really smart girl told me at an old job that I had: "Banana, quit acting so desperate. This job needs YOU WAY more than you need IT."
As Erimitus would say:
What say you?
Well we are not here for God's benefit, so why else would we be here. We can do nothing to benefit God.
If I were to think in those terms at all I guess I could see us as pets, that God wants to live in peace with each other. I can't see us as lab rats because God has no need to learn anything, it is us who need to do the learning.
After all, if you had your own menagerie wuld you nt prefer they lived in peace with each other? All will one day.
If I were to think in those terms at all I guess I could see us as pets, that God wants to live in peace with each other. I can't see us as lab rats because God has no need to learn anything, it is us who need to do the learning.
After all, if you had your own menagerie wuld you nt prefer they lived in peace with each other? All will one day.
Maybe but my life has been a series of estrangement, alienation, rejection, and ridicule met with companionship at the last instances which then led to emotionally damaging scenarios proceeded again by rejection to carry on to rinse and repeat.
Thus far I have learned to disengage myself from others around me on sincere emotional, sentimental and sensitive levels.