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ImBlue On August 14, 2010

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, Rhode Island
#1New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 02:58:11
One thing that has been bugging me for quite a while are the posters I keep seeing for self defense classes, directed at young women. The message is something like "You want to learn how to defend yourself and feel safe? Then take these ten 90 minutes lessons for $XX". So the idea apparently is that after attending a couple of these classes the girls will be able to defend themselves from muggers, rapists and violent dates etc...

Worst thing is that many women seam to fall for this crap. How is that even possible?
I mean like it or not, but men generally have a big size and strength advantage over women and a couple of self defense classes (even if the instructor is very well qualified) will not change that one bit. At best, these classes will have no effect on the girls who participate and at worst the girls will walk away from there with a false sense of security, which may get them in unnecessary trouble.

And just to clarify: I don't mean young women shouldn't or can't learn how to defend themselves. I am a 5'11'' 175 lbs guy and I go to the gym on a regular basis. Yet my 5'7'' 125 lbs girlfriend could easily wipe the floor with me in a fight. Why? Because she has been practicing real martial arts since she was 7 and she is a black belt. If a girl wants to be able to cancel out a guy's size and strength advantage like that she has a lot more work to do than to show up on a couple of those so called "self defense for women" classes.
Karma_Junkie On September 18, 2011
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Cheshire, United Kingdom
#2New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 03:01:27
Two fingers, one in each eye, I dont care how big he is, no one can stand that pain.
floydgirrl On March 03, 2021
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#5New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 03:18:51
I took self defense in college. It's interesting, I flipped someone who was bigger than me.
ImBlue On August 14, 2010

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#6New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 03:19:42
@Karma_Junkie Said

Well I guess its the same with any form of self defence, its having the ability to use it in that situation, when fear takes over its hard to think straight.


Yes that's part of my point. Any one can put fingers in any persons two eyes in theory. Much, much harder to do it in reality against a bigger and stronger person...
vekta On November 18, 2013




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#7New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 03:30:05
Martial arts are not self defense arts. It may or may not help her in a fight. You don't have time to take a stance or square yourself off to an attacker. Depending on the martial art in question you may or may not have enough space to execute a technique. Being in martial arts since you were 7 is all fine and good but that does not tell you how you're going to react in real life. The closest thing to a good "self defense" martial art you're going to get is either Muay thai, Krav Maga, or MAYBE Sambo.

If you want a girl to know how to defend herself, ya don't teach her how to use some martial arts moves. You teacher her how to pay attention, take cheap shots, and how that fancy pen she likes carrying around is also very good for stabbing someone in any soft fleshy part she can get to. Scare them into looking over there shoulder whenever they're out, make sure they're in the kind of mindset that makes them LOOK and LISTEN to what's around them, arm them to the teeth and show them how to stab someone in the back so to speak.
ImBlue On August 14, 2010

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#8New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 03:39:14
@floydgirrl Said

I took self defense in college. It's interesting, I flipped someone who was bigger than me.


Yes but to do that in a real life situation, the very least you need is a lot of practice...
floydgirrl On March 03, 2021
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#9New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 03:42:46
@ImBlue Said

Yes but to do that in a real life situation, the very least you need is a lot of practice...


I may have not "flipped" someone in a real life situation, but I've used other things. IDK I don't see it as a rip off. I actually taught my cousin some of the moves (like how to get out of a hold). His bigger brother was pissed because he could no longer beat him up.
vekta On November 18, 2013




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#10New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 03:42:47
@floydgirrl Said

I took self defense in college. It's interesting, I flipped someone who was bigger than me.



So did I...but my pen was a far more effective in scaring the crazy off that tried to mug me than a martial arts move.(I'm a small guy) I think the sudden *STAB* at him with a metal pen made him realize it wasn't going to be worth it.
ImBlue On August 14, 2010

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#11New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 03:48:40
@vekta Said

Martial arts are not self defense arts. It may or may not help her in a fight. You don't have time to take a stance or square yourself off to an attacker. Depending on the martial art in question you may or may not have enough space to execute a technique. Being in martial arts since you were 7 is all fine and good but that does not tell you how you're going to react in real life. The closest thing to a good "self defense" martial art you're going to get is either Muay thai, Krav Maga, or MAYBE Sambo.

If you want a girl to know how to defend herself, ya don't teach her how to use some martial arts moves. You teacher her how to pay attention, take cheap shots, and how that fancy pen she likes carrying around is also very good for stabbing someone in any soft fleshy part she can get to. Scare them into looking over there shoulder whenever they're out, make sure they're in the kind of mindset that makes them LOOK and LISTEN to what's around them, arm them to the teeth and show them how to stab someone in the back so to speak.


I kind of agree, but if you know a martial art really well it can also work as self defense. My girlfriend does hapkido. Obviously I haven't tried to hurt her for real, but I have done some play fighting with her and got my butt kicked everytime. She would definitly be able to use those moves on me (or a guy my size) in a real situation and it would be very, very hard to beat her...
vekta On November 18, 2013




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#12New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 03:54:07
@ImBlue Said

I kind of agree, but if you know a martial art really well it can also work as self defense. My girlfriend does hapkido. Obviously I haven't tried to hurt her for real, but I have done some play fighting with her and got my butt kicked everytime. She would definitly be able to use those moves on me (or a guy my size) in a real situation and it would be very, very hard to beat her...



You're talking 25-30 years of training though. If you really wanted to you could hurt her rather easily but that's a two way street.

It would be a very simple matter to walk past her with a smile then turn around and tag her in the back of the skull with anything hard.

She could just as easily walk past you with a smile then turn around and stick that screw driver you didn't see her hiding on the other side of her in between a couple ribs and use it as a handle.

HiImDan On August 02, 2021




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#13New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 04:00:30
what's Krav Maga?
ImBlue On August 14, 2010

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, Rhode Island
#14New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 04:06:35
@floydgirrl Said

I may have not "flipped" someone in a real life situation, but I've used other things. IDK I don't see it as a rip off. I actually taught my cousin some of the moves (like how to get out of a hold). His bigger brother was pissed because he could no longer beat him up.


haha
well as I said I probably wouldn't stand a chance against my girlfriend in a fight and I'm sure she could flip me in a real life situation...
but I still say that if a girl wants to learn those kind of things, she'd have to practice really hard... I'm 100% sure my girlfriend could never have learned how to kick my butt just by praciticing a couple of days...
Marcussextus On November 25, 2014




Adelaide, Australia
#15New Post! Nov 22, 2009 @ 04:06:53
IMO, it all depends on the woman.
Any training can and will be effective if it is USED. The problem is the ability to react in time, and appropriately. It also depends on the persons instinctive reactions, many freeze in attack circumstances, and that needs to be overcome. That's where practice comes in.
I've seen black-belt martial artists who s*** themselves and froze in a real-life brawl. I've also seen a panicking, untrained wimp take down a huge angry bikey, it was hilarious!
I taught my daughter to fight, hard and dirty, from the time she was 5, until she could drop me whenever she wanted. Her two older, and much larger, brothers were and are terrified of her. While at Uni she was working as a barmaid, and got leapt upon and groped by a drunk. He didn't get any further, she broke his jaw and knocked him unconscious, before security could respond to the alarm!
Considering what I'd taught her, he got off lightly!
One proud Dad that day, I tell ya fa true!
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