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Free Will
When discussing something it is to considerable advantage when everyone understands what is meant by the terms used. This definition is offered for additions and or corrections.
Free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action the outcome of which is not determined by past events.
#1 Free will is linked to judgments which apply only to actions that are freely chosen. Only actions that are freely willed deserve credit or blame.
Who judges?
How do we know that we are acting freely?
If you have seen West World on HBO you have seen that the programmed hosts believe they have free will. With few exceptions, humans are programmed to choose behaviors that are consistent with social standards of conduct. We tend to choose what we have been programmed to choose by past failures, social constraints, physical constraints, and learned beliefs.
The question remains. How do we know we have free will? | |
Darkman666
| | hbo's westworld and the british tv show, human, both androids in both shows developed from conscious and free will. the creators must subconscious gave these abilities as parent want their child have their freedom express their feelings openly. |
Erimitus
| @darkman666 Said 
hbo's westworld and the british tv show, human, both androids in both shows developed from conscious and free will. the creators must subconscious gave these abilities as parent want their child have their freedom express their feelings openly.
could be |
mrmhead
| You link Free Will to Judgments.
Why?
Edit / add:
Are you saying judgments impede on true free will?
One aspect of free will is actions without judgement(?) |
chaski
Stalker
| 1. In a world without god/gods: Most people have free will. People can choose what to wear, where to live, what music to like, how to act... whether or not to abide by the law...etc.
Granted there are some legal restrictions, however, a person can choose to break the law if they want to, at which point they might give up their free will.
People who are prisoners, slaves or live in a authoritarian ruled country are the exceptions.
2. In a world where there are god/gods, but the god/gods are not involved in either daily activity nor final judgment: Same as #1.
3. In a world where there are god/gods, and the god/gods are involved in either daily activity nor final judgment: Free will is either nonexistent or ultimately meaningless. |
mrmhead
| Judgement is feedback from an external entity.
You are free to accept that judgement or entity.
You may still suffer consequences, but that is the Result of your choice. |
chaski
Stalker
| Is knowledge a requisite part of free will?
Example:
1. You are presented with a choice: Door #1 or Door #2.
2. You are have no information about what is behind either door.
3. You are told that you should choose Door #1 and be happy.
4. You are told that you should not choose Door #2.
5. You are told that if you do choose Door #2 the result is going to be:
>>>> HUGIUYF&^R)^&YUGH VGU^%RRTHKJVB VTYR&^TUIHBN VUY^TYUIHNN HGVF*RYNBHJVGCFXCVBMN<M> <<<
6. You have no other information; you lack any real knowledge about the choice you are given.
7. You have no idea what HUGIUYF&^R)^&YUGH VGU^%RRTHKJVB VTYR&^TUIHBN VUY^TYUIHNN HGVF*RYNBHJVGCFXCVBMN<M> means.
8. You must make a decision.
9.. Again, you have no other information available.
The question: Do you really have free will in making a decision, when you have no information/incomplete information/or possibly misinformation? |
Erimitus
| @mrmhead Said
You link Free Will to Judgments.
Why?
Edit / add:
Are you saying judgments impede on true free will?
One aspect of free will is actions without judgement(?)
Mr. You link Free Will to Judgments.
Mike: yes
Mr. Why?
Mike: choosing between alternatives is a judgment but what I was referring to is a judgment about the consequences of volitional actions.
Mr. Are you saying judgments impede on true free will?
Mike: I am not sure what ‘true free will’ is. There are always going to be physical, psychological, social constraints. These are impediments.
Mr. One aspect of free will is actions without judgment
Mike: I see actions without judgments as a reflex.
#1 Free will is linked to judgments which apply only to actions that are freely chosen. Only actions that are freely chosen deserve credit or blame.
Credit or blame is judgment. |
mrmhead
| @chaski Said
Is knowledge a requisite part of free will?
Example:
1. You are presented with a choice: Door #1 or Door #2.
2. You are have no information about what is behind either door.
3. You are told that you should choose Door #1 and be happy.
4. You are told that you should not choose Door #2.
5. You are told that if you do choose Door #2 the result is going to be:
>>>> HUGIUYF&^R)^&YUGH VGU^%RRTHKJVB VTYR&^TUIHBN VUY^TYUIHNN HGVF*RYNBHJVGCFXCVBMN<M> <<<
6. You have no other information; you lack any real knowledge about the choice you are given.
7. You have no idea what HUGIUYF&^R)^&YUGH VGU^%RRTHKJVB VTYR&^TUIHBN VUY^TYUIHNN HGVF*RYNBHJVGCFXCVBMN<M> means.
8. You must make a decision.
9.. Again, you have no other information available.
The question: Do you really have free will in making a decision, when you have no information/incomplete information/or possibly misinformation?
Can you not have free will without having a Why?
Information may lead you to a Why - but it is still your own choice to accept, deny, or ignore those Why's
Hmm....
Does that mean only when you start thinking your choices become limited? |
mrmhead
| @Erimitus Said
Mike: I am not sure what ‘true free will’ is. There are always going to be physical, psychological, social constraints. These are impediments.
Yes, I was referring to the abstract. |
chaski
Stalker
| @mrmhead Said
Can you not have free will without having a Why?
Information may lead you to a Why - but it is still your own choice to accept, deny, or ignore those Why's
Absolutely.
I just wanted to sort of make a point by asking the question.
"Our" choices are not necessarily based on knowledge... facts. "We" are free to make the choices, even without knowledge... facts.
@mrmhead Said
Hmm....
Does that mean only when you start thinking your choices become limited?
Something like that. |
Darkman666
| | for androids, they think with logical than feelings. when they start question the logical of thinking. it shows they are somewhat human, which they should question their own program. |
Erimitus
| C: The question: Do you really have free will in making a decision, when you have no information/incomplete information/or possibly misinformation?
Mike: yes
I hate when >>>> HUGIUYF&^R)^&YUGH VGU^%RRTHKJVB VTYR&^TUIHBN VUY^TYUIHNN HGVF*RYNBHJVGCFXCVBMN<M> <<< happens. |
Darkman666
| @Erimitus Said
C: The question: Do you really have free will in making a decision, when you have no information/incomplete information/or possibly misinformation?
Mike: yes
I hate when >>>> HUGIUYF&^R)^&YUGH VGU^%RRTHKJVB VTYR&^TUIHBN VUY^TYUIHNN HGVF*RYNBHJVGCFXCVBMN<M> <<< happens.
it depends what is the situation is because it might not need depend on free will at all. |
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Free Will
June 02, 2019 @ 10:40:10 am
