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Right, I feel this one is gonna be rather controversial and it’s not Religion itself which annoys me but rather what people do in it’s name. Originally Religion was a great idea it bought people together in a way that nothing else could, but somewhere down the line it all got blurred and everyone decided that their take on it was the right one and everyone else were heretics and had to be forced to believe otherwise. The Romans were the first to do it when they persecuted the Christians and the Jews, then the Christians did it when the ordered the crusade against the Muslims, then Hitler did it to the Jews again and now the Jews and Christians are doing to the Muslims who are then doing it back. No single religion is the right one and when you boil it all down to the bare bones it’s all the same they all have one God and the same guy who came as his messenger the only thing that’s different are the names. Why kill in the name of something which is essentially the same, everyone should agree to follow the same message in their own way or in the case of some (such as myself) not at all. But to try and force your beliefs on others is just plain wrong and needs to stop. | |
treebee
UM - BONGO
Über-Administrator
163241 points | In my opinion, the whole esscence and teachings of religion are lost in religious wars and it becomes a matter of who is right. How can a religion say it is wrong to kill a man, yet its so-called followers can murder in the name of thier God.
Of course in thier own eyes they are all right. And as you say, if it existed there would be only one divinity. |
cinnamin
Über Master Debater
9878 points | | I have Mormans come to my door every month. I invite them in, let them state their case, and explain I don't agree. My husband used to get very annoyed by this. I explained to him that they really thought they were trying to save my sole, and I am always up for discussion. I don't envolve myself in the debate about what's right or wrong. I am what I am, and I believe what I believe. Allthough it is a christian thing for sure, I mean have you ever had a buddist or pagan at your door trying to "sell" you religion? |
shadowed_soul
Points Whore
772 points | | The problem with Christianity is that it is itself such a diverse religion that the different aspects of it seem to feel as though they have to have more members then the next as if they have to prove that the way the read the book was the right way. The way they do this is by going door to door to convince people to join them. Islam or Taoism isn’t as diverse so you don’t have this kind of ‘inter house competion’. |
alljive
Ogler
20627 points | This is incorrect actually.
Tao(dao) and islam ARE incredibly diverse, JUST as prone to sectism and scisms at the christian religion.
Buddhists have waged bloody wars against eachother over interpretations of texts, just as the christians and muslims have, but for some reason the buddhist wars haven't exactly been widely publisized. |
cinnamin
Über Master Debater
9878 points | shadowed_soul said:
The problem with Christianity is that it is itself such a diverse religion that the different aspects of it seem to feel as though they have to have more members then the next as if they have to prove that the way the read the book was the right way. The way they do this is by going door to door to convince people to join them. Islam or Taoism isn’t as diverse so you don’t have this kind of ‘inter house competion’.
And I ask you and everyone else again, have you ever had any one of an alternative faith (non christian) come bug you to join? |
bandylank
Über Master Debater
8426 points | shadowed_soul said:
The way they do this is by going door to door to convince people to join them.
That is only one type of Christianity, you said your self it is diverse and now you are generalising. |
matthemod
Debater
6632 points | without religion society would never have existed...seriously in the western world, even though you may not have practiced christianity the moral ethics of christianity, helping others, not stealing etc are still present in society.
Unfortunately it seems society can't exist without war, so religion is never too far from war. |
cinnamin
Über Master Debater
9878 points | matthemod said:
without religion society would never have existed...seriously in the western world, even though you may not have practiced christianity the moral ethics of christianity, helping others, not stealing etc are still present in society.
Unfortunately it seems society can't exist without war, so religion is never too far from war.
Those are called morals, they are things that we teach are children. Religion is based on faith, morals being a part of that faith. |
alljive
Ogler
20627 points | Also plenty of religions other than the christians do this door to door like preaching.
How many airport hare-krishna have you seen?
They seem to be everywhere *I* land.
The hindus simply belive that everybody IS hindu no matter WHAT you say.
Though I have never had a wicca come to my door and wish to preach me over into worshipping anything, I HAVE encountered them preaching at me at various "alternative bazaars" and whatnot. The only reason, in my opinion, they don't go door to door is because the christians would have them arrested faster than you can say "heretic".
In most western countries it seems to work like this:
Christians going door to door = spreading the word.
Pagans/others going door to door = scaring our innocent children into dark cults. |
cinnamin
Über Master Debater
9878 points | alljive said:
Also plenty of religions other than the christians do this door to door like preaching.
How many airport hare-krishna have you seen?
They seem to be everywhere *I* land.
The hindus simply belive that everybody IS hindu no matter WHAT you say.
Though I have never had a wicca come to my door and wish to preach me over into worshipping anything, I HAVE encountered them preaching at me at various "alternative bazaars" and whatnot. The only reason, in my opinion, they don't go door to door is because the christians would have them arrested faster than you can say "heretic".
In most western countries it seems to work like this:
Christians going door to door = spreading the word.
Pagans/others going door to door = scaring our innocent children into dark cults.
Pagans don't scare them into dark cults.  |
shadowed_soul
Points Whore
772 points | | I do apologise for my earlier post your right I was generalising. |
cinnamin
Über Master Debater
9878 points | cinnamin said: Pagans don't scare them into dark cults.
All in all who cares you love Jesus, you don't. You worship Alah, so what, just don't suicide bomb. I am an athiest. I am the only person in my circle of friends that is never unsure of what to do. I have my own standards. |
alljive
Ogler
20627 points | cinnamin said: Pagans don't scare them into dark cults.
on this we agree cinnamin.
however, most western governments do not.
I was only trying to point at the incredible discrepancy between what the various religions are allowed to do, as a possible explentation as to why we see far more christian type religions do door-to-door than we see the pagans/others. |
shadowed_soul
Points Whore
772 points | | I also have to say that I have never had anyone other then the different Christian faiths knocking on my door. True one reason to explain this is that I'm from a prominently Christian area and as you say they would probably have any other faith arrested before they reached the second door. So I really didn’t now the others did this. Personally I would love to have a Wicca come to my door trying to convince me to join the faith even if it’s just for a breath of fresh air. |
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