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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | adrinachrome said:
Intelligent people have been exploiting less intelligent people for as long as people have been around as well. Thats different though, people with a lower capacity to think are still people they can still fell the deeper emotions that only humans can feel they can still to some extent rationalize what is going on around them. Face it dude we're a very cruel species and that is not going to change.
First, there is a great deal of ignorance about the emotional lives of nonhuman animals: link [www.animalperson.net]
Darwin suggested that nonhuman lives were emotionally complex.
As for just getting used the the cruelty of human animals, that, obviously, is something animal rights sets out to alter.
Admittedly this would require a cultural revolution.
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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | alexkidd said:
ok biology lesson,
cows can continue to produce milk for years, they don't produce a fixed supply measured per calf.
most calves are farmed and grow up to either be milk producers themselves or are raised and later killed as adults for food.
some are killed as calfs, its quite a delicacy.
whatever your view on the need to kill animals, which can be very much backed up, i'd rather see meat producing farms growing crops.
i eat a small amount of meat these days, but i've been a vegetarian i have strong opinions on the ethical treatment of animals.
but we are not stealing milk from the calves.
Ah - see what you are saying now. Because we have exploited cows so that they produce far more milk than is natural for such a mammal, then we are not technically taking a calf's share. Of course, we take their share too if we decide to use the calves for veal.
"MAKING MILK - HOW DOES A DAIRY COW DO IT?
Most mammals only produce enough milk to feed their young. Dairy cows are different, they produce far more milk than their young calves can use. A calf only needs a small portion of her mother's milk supply during the first few months of life (about 255 litres). Since a good dairy cow produces more than 6,100 litres of milk in a year, there is a lot of extra milk for us to use. A cow produces milk for about ten months following the birth of her calf and for the process to continue she must have a calf every year."
From an industry source, rather than an AR one: link [www.milk.mb.ca]
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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | adrinachrome said:
There probably wouldn't be even a quarter as much cows on Earth today if it wasn't for us breeding them, so in a sense they owe us their lives.
You want support for a system of slavery because slaves are thereby born into servitude?
Of course, you will realise that animal rights theory would reduce and end the domestication and holding of nonhuman captives.
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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | alexkidd said:
if fur is wrong then so is leather.
This issue is addressed in this newly-published animal rights blog entry: link [www.abolitionistapproach.com]
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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | adrinachrome said:
Slavery they're animals for s**ts sake! I just had me a triple stacker whopper and am ready to defend my right to eat cows.
We, too, are animals. As we have seen from this discussion, we are mammals. We are apes - this is not a problem just a fact.
I think when you say right to eat a cow, you mean the power to do so.
Obviously, animal rights theory is critical of current power relations.
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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | jonnythan said:
Slaves are human.
Cows are not slaves.
You have thus far called cows "children" and "slaves." Please stop. It's quite disingenuous to keep anthropomorphizing animals.
I am at a loss as to why we cannot regard nonhuman as well as human animals slaves if their labour power is exploited.
Cow's milk is clear baby food - that is why humans often "skim it" to reduce the amount of fat meant for a cow's offspring.
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May 08, 2008 @ 23:09:50
believe it or not that is what that big word means 
