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 May 09, 2008 @ 20:23:58 | #147 | rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | doubtingthomas said:
rogy please disribe to me what types of rights a animal would have, that it currently doesn't have.
First, you have to get over the mental barrier and accept that animal rights will actually mean that billions of nonhuman animals will not be deliberately bred for exploitation. Humans kill thousands of animals every second just for food - animal rights would stop that by not breeding those individuals.
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How far would those rights extend?
What countries would adopt them?
Would we have trade barriers for countries
that didn't follow them?
Animal rights would extend into all aspects of the lives of human animals. Animal rights is a global idea. I would not think individual nations are likely to fully adopt the idea of animal rights while others did not. However, that eventuality is, of course, feasible.
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As far as I can tell from your posts. You are a reactionary thinker. You see a problem and point it out. You don't offer ways of solving a problem you simply blow the whistle.
Put forward an idea that you have how to solve a current problem as you see it. Don't simply point out a problem and run behind your moral wall and let the rest of us figure out how to make you happy.
Oh no, animal rights philosophy offers the solution: global veganism.
In fact, this is the only diet that can feed humanity in its current numbers.
For this reasons, many people are vegan for human rights reasons
Of course - food distribution is extremely political, as we see this very day in relation to Myanmar.
rogy
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| May 10, 2008 @ 08:25:57 | #149 | rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | doubtingthomas said:
Please go over how you go about stopping "animal exploitation".
Oh, the hard ones first, eh? It involves the not inconsiderable task of convincing you - who appears to operate on the basis that might makes right - that there are other value systems based on the respect of others; based on wanting to do as least harm as possible; based on non-violent principles.
We can stop nonhuman animal exploitation by a change in behaviour and attitude - just as we could stop the fact that about 30,000 human children will die today of starvation-related issues.
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What would people of the world eat instead.
Vegetables
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What would we do with our generation long careers of animal farmers?
People will still need to be fed - farmers still required. In fact, in a 'vegan world' it is likely that more farmers will be employed because veganic farming will be less intensive than prevailing systems of animal use.
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What would we do with cultures all around the planet whos entire way of life for the past 10 thousand years has been based on eating animals.?
Do you realize that you would make laws "bill of rights" that would change how we are as a civilization funamentaly.
You would throw all this away because of how YOU feel.
This is a misreading of the case for animal rights. It has little to do with my personal feelings, although I would not want to rule out the valuable role of emotions in ethics.
I think it might help if you understand that animal rights as a basic idea is quite modest, merely extending already widely-held principles of rights over the species barrier. As you say, this modest move would have some profound implications in cultural terms. As such, these moves would be expected to be gradual and incremental.
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Why don't we just implement the removal of front teeth in the worlds children. In your world we would only need molers for grinding complex grains.
Don't forget to hand out your 7 esential amino acid tablets that we would need to live.
You know the pesky ones we get from animal protein.
There is nothing we get from animal sources that cannot be acquired from non-animal ones.
The most difficult issue is thought to be vitamin B12 - but that is not insurmountable.
If it turns out that humans must consume minute amounts of animal protein for whatever reason, we would have to try to obtain it in the most nonviolent way. However, that would still rule out factory and convential animal 'farming' and most of the other uses we put animals to - like being our living dolls and ornaments.
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