May I just say that animals practically torture and kill each other every day, in the thousands. Leopard seals skin penguins alive. Lionesses strangle buffalo to death. Chimpanzees murder each other in packs. Eagles puncture the skulls of baby monkeys. Whales commit krill genocide.

If we are going to assume that animals are moral agents, then we are neglecting our duty to protect them from each other. Does no one else see this blatant ethical hypocrisy?

While it is a fairly bad thing, it's not something I'm going to cry over or quit eating meat. Killing an animal for the meat I can live with or killing rodents if they're around your house I can live with. Skinning an animal while it is alive is something I don't approve of. If we were to use the animal for various things, such as meat for food and bones for tools, then skinning it for fur is fine providing it has no feeling of the skinning taking place (i.e. dead). Senseless torturing of animals (i.e. setting a cat on fire while it's alive) is something I cannot approve of. I find that just plain sick. One could say that those people have mental disorders (as I do too) so I can understand there may be some things they cannot control. I'm schizophrenic and I cant always control when I go in and out nor can I stop the deadened emotions.

That being said, if a human knows sensitive information, such as the location of a bomb, and refuse to give it, then I think torturing can be acceptable. Torturing should be a last resort to getting information, or in the medieval times, for punishment (now not as acceptable). The animals cannot determine as well as we can what is right and what is wrong, if they've done something wrong, such as a dog jumping up, a loud, firm shout of "no" is fine but not torturing the hell out of it.

If this has been unclear, I'll sum it up so it seems more clear: animals can be killed for food and skinned when dead so there is no pain at all. Torturing the animals for no reason while they're alive is wrong (if an animal is already dead from being killed then I'm unsure if setting in on fire is acceptable. On one hand, it is because it's not in any pain. On the other hand, it's degrading the animal).

I'm not supporting the torturing in any way but I'm not going to lose sleep over it, quit eating meat or be too sad to function properly.

Im not against using animal products, im not against animal testing, im not against eating meat, i just think as human beings we are capable of empathy and i would rather wear an animal that was humanely killed or eat an animal that was humanely killed than something that suffered in a terrible way.


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The fact that we are dextrous, creative, lingually articulate, cultural and actually have invented systems of moral conduct belies the underlying quality that seperates us from most animals: we are conscious beings. That's what gives us a right to be respected.