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Forum Index > News & Politics > Racism | >> does the rights guaranteed by the constitution only for white people? | | |
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spicedsugar
Meister
1251 points
17/F/, California
Join Date: May 2008 | Actually, blacks didn't form the ghettos.
That was a term derived from the Holocaust for the Jews, during WW2 with the "Night of Broken Glass."...
anyhow,
it is constitutionally guaranteed.
but maybe i didn't understand ur example. You don't have to be a minority to be told to shut up and keep ur head down. All races face that, even whites.
and also, whites make up the largest percentage of poor people in the USA.
further, the constitution was BRILLIANTLY written! Take a lesson on rhetoric and you'll know what I mean.
However, lawyers twist it, and their maneuvers can be backfired by simply stating it is out of context to society's times.
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moonscar
Meister
1431 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | beanpop said:
It amazes me that still to this date that minorities( blacks especially) can still bitch about the most trivial injustices committed against them. Just to let you know this white america image couldn't be anymore bulls**t. Whites( America especially) as done more for africa then the africans have. We have provided aid to them and even sent over troops to help establish democracy, which has cost us men, men that have families.So before you bad talk america and how you think the constitution only applies to whites, know what your talking about. The best part is when minorities bitch about how there unfairly treated is, that in there own countrys its way worse example AFRICA. Over there the men can rape women without punishment, they can kill in the streets without worrying about law enforcement.
And although this wanst in the constitution but instead in the Declaration of Independence, the famous line all men are created equal, only meant that all white men were created equal and if you dont believe and just think im a racist f**k, look it up. Thomas Jefferson its author owned slaves.Oh yeah and for the record blacks owned blacks so whites werent the only ones who enslaved.
No offense but you sound like the typical " Blacks have nothing to complain about" type of American. Blacks have lot to complain about. Even though slavery is over segregation came after that and even now practices of injustice towards the black community come. I do admit that some do play the "Racist" card too much. That doesn't mean though that there is nothing we should be complaining about. Try like 400 years of oppression buddy. America is not a proud country. There have been a lot of practices of prejudice that it doesn't deserve the title " Land of the free". Yes there are a lot of Americans that go to help Africa and that is good. Do you think that Automatically makes up for the things America does? America is a messed up country. The Constitution says a lot of things. That doesn't mean it is followed all the way through. A lot of minorities are going through unequal treatment right now even. Yes blacks owned blacks, and a lot of them did it because the whites promised them something for it. Not meaning to break your mood of trying to make slavery less of a big deal than it actually is. A lot of the rights are denied to minorities and your own Pride in your country kinda blinds you from it. Blacks still till this day have a right to complain. Especially when prejudice towards them and other races still go on in the country. All that " America being a great country" crap is just propaganda. | | | | Edited: May 29, 2008 @ 04:58 |  |
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spicedsugar
Meister
1251 points
17/F/, California
Join Date: May 2008 | moonscar said:
No offense but you sound like the typical " Blacks have nothing to complain about" type of American. Blacks have lot to complain about. Even though slavery is over segregation came after that and even now practices of injustice towards the black community come. I do admit hat some do play the "Racist" card too much. That doesn't mean though that there is nothing we should be complaining about. Try like 400 years of oppression buddy. America is not a proud country. There have been a lot of practices of prejudice that it doesn't deserve the title " Land of the free". Yes there are a lot of Americans that go to help Africa and that is good. Do you think that Automatically makes up for the things America does? America is a messed up country. The Constitution says a lot of things. That doesn't mean it is followed all the way through. A lot of minorities are going through unequal treatment right now even. Yes blacks owned blacks, and a lot of them did it because the whites promised them something for it. Not meaning to break your mood of trying to make slavery less of a big deal than it actually is. A lot of the rights are denied to minorities and your own Pride in your country kinda blinds you from it. Blacks still till this day have a right to complain. Especially when prejudice towards them and other races still go on in the country. All that " America being a great country" crap is just propaganda.
Well said.
However, some blacks take it too far.
FOR INSTANCE:
Some say because blacks have been enslaved and discriminated against, they should be privileged. Take Mark (i forgot his name, so i'm using this). He went up to my father (Battalion Chief for the Ventura County Fire Department) and essentially demanded a job for pump watering. Not a very difficult job. HOWEVER, he used the race card. My father is mexican-american. Putting race aside, my father asked if Mark can demonstrate the science, equations, and pressure gauges (etc) that would qualify him. He couldn't. My father refused him the job. Mark wanted to sue my father for "racial discrimination." Mark was inadequate. End of story.
Now, to say that other users have too much pride in their own country to "make slavery less of a big deal than it actually is" was a bit extreme. Slavery was a big deal. Africans weren't the only ones to go through it however. Think of homosexuals, jews, gypsies, mexicans, spaniards, other African groups, japanese, chinese, koreans, ... the list goes on. SO YES, slavery is a big deal. BUT blacks weren't the only ones who have faced discrimination for long periods of time (and I mean over 400 years).
Consider this, slavery is still happening today. And the majority of those are not blacks, they are a mix of whites, hispanics, russians, and other European-Asian countries... and it's called Human Trafficking.
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moonscar
Meister
1431 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | spicedsugar said:
Well said.
However, some blacks take it too far.
FOR INSTANCE:
Some say because blacks have been enslaved and discriminated against, they should be privileged. Take Mark (i forgot his name, so i'm using this). He went up to my father (Battalion Chief for the Ventura County Fire Department) and essentially demanded a job for pump watering. Not a very difficult job. HOWEVER, he used the race card. My father is mexican-american. Putting race aside, my father asked if Mark can demonstrate the science, equations, and pressure gauges (etc) that would qualify him. He couldn't. My father refused him the job. Mark wanted to sue my father for "racial discrimination." Mark was inadequate. End of story.
Now, to say that other users have too much pride in their own country to "make slavery less of a big deal than it actually is" was a bit extreme. Slavery was a big deal. Africans weren't the only ones to go through it however. Think of homosexuals, jews, gypsies, mexicans, spaniards, other African groups, japanese, chinese, koreans, ... the list goes on. SO YES, slavery is a big deal. BUT blacks weren't the only ones who have faced discrimination for long periods of time (and I mean over 400 years).
Consider this, slavery is still happening today. And the majority of those are not blacks, they are a mix of whites, hispanics, russians, and other European-Asian countries... and it's called Human Trafficking.
That still doesn't mean blacks don't have he right to fight for their rights however. There may be other races suffering as much as blacks. Does hat mean we should stop talking about the discrimination thats being held against us? | | | |
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moonscar
Meister
1431 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | spicedsugar said:
Whites may very well have "far more opportunities."
Doesn't mean they're exclusive.
"So, what're you going to do about it?" is my question.
Yes, talk about it.
But "actions speak louder than words."
I never said hey were exclusive. I just disagreed that they were less privileged. Also black people have always taken action against it. We are still taking action....... | | | |
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moonscar
Meister
1431 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | spicedsugar said:
They do have the right.
I don't see many of them doing it anymore.
Let's see...
They found the most success in the 1950s and 60s with events like...:
Brown vs. Board of Education, Topeka (1954)
Rosa Parks' boycott (1955)
Civil Rights Act of 1957
Incident at Little Rock, Arkansas (1957)
Greensboro sit-in (1960)
Freedom Riders' Boycott (1961)
Voting Rights Act of 1965
from there... i didn't see much.
I guess you can include 2004, Condoleezza Rice becoming the first black woman to be named Secretary of State.
so, what other policies would you like to see passed? and how are you gonna go about passing them?
Well there are no really any policies that the government would probably follow. A lot of the discrimination they do is hidden. Maybe they shouldn't sent blacks to jails longer than whites. Also, Obama could be the next chance in this " White male leader" Country. I don't think he should win just because he's a minority. I like his views and I think he will bring great change. | | | |
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moonscar
Meister
1431 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | spicedsugar said:
Yes, but you made a huge gap too.
and I'd like to know more. What is currently in "action"?
Hello? Civil rights groups? | | | |
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pq
Minister
11759 points
23/F/Gainesville, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2008 | beanpop said:
It amazes me that still to this date that minorities( blacks especially) can still bitch about the most trivial injustices committed against them. Just to let you know this white america image couldn't be anymore bulls**t. Whites( America especially) as done more for africa then the africans have. We have provided aid to them and even sent over troops to help establish democracy, which has cost us men, men that have families.So before you bad talk america and how you think the constitution only applies to whites, know what your talking about. The best part is when minorities bitch about how there unfairly treated is, that in there own countrys its way worse example AFRICA. Over there the men can rape women without punishment, they can kill in the streets without worrying about law enforcement.
And although this wanst in the constitution but instead in the Declaration of Independence, the famous line all men are created equal, only meant that all white men were created equal and if you dont believe and just think im a racist f**k, look it up. Thomas Jefferson its author owned slaves.Oh yeah and for the record blacks owned blacks so whites werent the only ones who enslaved.
Okay, what does Africa have to do with me? I was born in America. I was raised in America. I live, work, and play in America. Africa doesn't have s**t to do with me. My ancestors came from there but not me. I feel bad for the Africans but that doesn't mean I should shut up and say nothing because they have it far worse.
Yeah, whites weren't the people that created slavery but they were the ones that realized they could profit off it.
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May 29, 2008 @ 04:33:18
, but there's this history of an incredible amount of black oppression, and sending some aid to Africa isn't going to make up for that (Also notice the distinct lack of "african-americans" who decide to go back to the "old country" - difference between complaining about big bad racist America, and actually going to somewhere much worse, cue Muhammed Ali's famous saying after visiting there), but you have something there worth building on.
