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Forum Index > News & Politics > Racism | >> does the rights guaranteed by the constitution only for white people? | | |
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stile
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Join Date: Apr 2008 | moonscar said:
Yeah and a lot of education requires money unfortunately xD
Very true, how sad that for a person to fully come into their potential they have to have enough money to afford it. Money for education however is different then what I would consider reparations for past crimes. Certainly if we give black people reparations some will use it for education but I doubt most would.
What should be done, is to make higher learning available to anyone who has the potential to understand and utilize it. |  | |
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stile
Meister
1397 points
18/NA/,
Join Date: Apr 2008 | moonscar said:
I haven't given up on the black community. I just think I will die of old age before discrimination in general dies out.
So will I, and so will my kids and their kids too probably. What we do now though impacts directly on the outcome of the future. We might not be able to reap the fruits of our efforts but someday someone will, and they'll be happy we made the choices that we've made. Or I made rather, I should not be speaking for you. | | | |
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moonscar
Meister
1320 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | stile said:
Very true, how sad that for a person to fully come into their potential they have to have enough money to afford it. Money for education however is different then what I would consider reparations for past crimes. Certainly if we give black people reparations some will use it for education but I doubt most would.
What should be done, is to make higher learning available to anyone who has the potential to understand and utilize it.
That's he exact reason why I say it's too late for reparations. Most wouldn't use i properly bu if he reparations were given earlier they probably would have realized that they needed to use this to help themselves make it. That's not going to happen today though. So much has happened. It's just too late for reparations. | | | |
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lopez
Über-General
673 points
30/F/, Wisconsin
Join Date: Aug 2006 | Why not put my two cents in.  I think everybody has been oppressed or discriminated against at one time or another, it is not fair but it did and does happen. If we group everybody together that has had a hard time we would all be in the same group anyway. I do not believe that I should have to pay anybody anything for something that I did not have a part of...I have never owned a slave and don't plan on owning any in the future, I did not kill anybody for the land I live on and do not plan on it, Chit happened before that people did not go through and now they want to get paid for what thier anestors went through?
I just do not understand how that will help anybody. If people think that a little bit of money will erase what has happened to so many people in the past in our country I think they need to rethink what it is they want. Money for what? Will that help your ancestors feel better about what they went through? It will not help mine, it will not make what they went through any easier, it will on fact make me feel as if I am makeing easy money for what they had to suffer and endure.
For what people go through now, I have seen every type of person around here be discriminated against in one way or another, every body would have to pay every body and we would all be broke. I don't think a nation wide swear jar would solve anything. I guess I am coming across as a rascist and don't mean to, but rascism does exist and paying people off will not help anything, it would cause more problems. We can only try to make things better with what we teach our children and how we act ourselves, the more we teach our children what people had to go through so we can be apart of this country today the more I think they will grow to respect others and what they went through. | | | |
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moonscar
Meister
1320 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | lopez said: Why not put my two cents in. I think everybody has been oppressed or discriminated against at one time or another, it is not fair but it did and does happen. If we group everybody together that has had a hard time we would all be in the same group anyway. I do not believe that I should have to pay anybody anything for something that I did not have a part of...I have never owned a slave and don't plan on owning any in the future, I did not kill anybody for the land I live on and do not plan on it, Chit happened before that people did not go through and now they want to get paid for what thier anestors went through?
I just do not understand how that will help anybody. If people think that a little bit of money will erase what has happened to so many people in the past in our country I think they need to rethink what it is they want. Money for what? Will that help your ancestors feel better about what they went through? It will not help mine, it will not make what they went through any easier, it will on fact make me feel as if I am makeing easy money for what they had to suffer and endure.
For what people go through now, I have seen every type of person around here be discriminated against in one way or another, every body would have to pay every body and we would all be broke. I don't think a nation wide swear jar would solve anything. I guess I am coming across as a rascist and don't mean to, but rascism does exist and paying people off will not help anything, it would cause more problems. We can only try to make things better with what we teach our children and how we act ourselves, the more we teach our children what people had to go through so we can be apart of this country today the more I think they will grow to respect others and what they went through.
I have to disagree with you on some things. The purpose of reparations is to help a race that has been oppressed get back on it's feet. It has nothing to do with trying to make up for what happened. It's more of a helping hand to get the race a boost. Also I do believe in Natives Getting some of their land back as a good example. Are you saying that it was nice that they got reparations but I guess black people should just forget about it?
It doesn't matter. Reparations would not help blacks now but it could of made the black community better if it was given from the start. How would reparations possibly cause more problems? Natives got reparations and they do pretty well off. I guess that reparations would only work for everyone except blacks then. Ok it isn't about " Here is some money, now please forgive us." It is more than that. It is more of a " Here is something to help you guys build up something. because pretty much blacks started with nothing and now that they are free they are suppose to make a normal life on their own with segregation still in action. I know that reparations would probably do little now but I am saying that it would have been great to get the same thing in the past.
Also an apology would have been nice but we didn't even get that.......
Keep in mind that when I say this I am not saying " All whites should pay for what blacks went through." It is more of a government deal. I don't feel that it is right to say that reparations are ridiculous when blacks want it but then again Natives got reparations. I know that they have suffered ever since the settlers came and they did have land taken from them but every race that has been oppressed, enslaved or what not should be helped by America. You just don't enslave a race and then set them free and say " there you go, build yourself a life"
I mean if you start with nothing, it is really hard for you to get by. So help would have made things a lot easier for black people. Oh so I guess helping the Natives after their oppression is logical but blacks shouldn't be helped at all or given an apology. No one said that whites had to apologize. When people ask for something they are asking the government of America to help them because when your oppressed and enslaved it takes a bunch of time to get a good education and what not.
It really doesn't matter. America has waited too late to give reparations and now we have "ghettos."
Don't get me wrong there can be a number of minorities that can build themselves. They have to work extra hard...
I see what your saying though....... | | | | Edited: May 30, 2008 @ 11:23 |  |
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lopez
Über-General
673 points
30/F/, Wisconsin
Join Date: Aug 2006 | I also see what you are saying, I believe its called welfare. That is what people use to get back on their feet. Reservations were set up to keep the Native Indians in a certain area that was considered crap land, that I do not think helped them in any way.It separated them from the others. Have you been to a reservation latley?
I do believe that maybe way back when the slaves were freed they should have been paid by the people who owned them, but there is nothing that I can do now to help the problem that was so long ago.
I think it will take time for people to get on their feet, but they don't need a free ride. people have come to this country from all over and struggle to get ahead, that is the American deam, try try try to get something better then your parents had strive to be the best you can be. Alot of people in this country want a free ride because they were or are discriminated against and that is just unrealistic to do. I don't understand I guess what it is that you are asking for, maybe that would have helped instead of just blabbing my mouth. I do not understand what black people go through or for that matter any other race that I am not, But you cannot understand what other races go through either so who is to say who has it worse now.
The past is the past and should be taught to our children so they know how wrong people were back then, as for now I think we as a country need to work together to make America the best it can be and stop trying to divide into different groups and rip this country apart.
What happened to the slaves was horrible and wrong and the people that took part in owning, selling, rounding up, beating, and killing these people should have been punished, but that did not happen and now never will. If we live in the past we are destined to be held back. I do not believe that the "ghettos" are due to slavery or anything else other than people who cannot get ahead. I have lived in many different places and when I was in a place I could not stand I had to work harder to move to a place I could deal with. It was very hard, but I wanted to live in a better place that was safer for me and my family.Just because I am a woman I do not believe that I should have gotten it easier because my sex was oppressed for so long. I proved to myself and my family that I could do it on my own as they someday will have to do, stive for a better life. | | | |
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moonscar
Meister
1320 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | lopez said:
I also see what you are saying, I believe its called welfare. That is what people use to get back on their feet. Reservations were set up to keep the Native Indians in a certain area that was considered crap land, that I do not think helped them in any way.It separated them from the others. Have you been to a reservation latley?
I do believe that maybe way back when the slaves were freed they should have been paid by the people who owned them, but there is nothing that I can do now to help the problem that was so long ago.
I think it will take time for people to get on their feet, but they don't need a free ride. people have come to this country from all over and struggle to get ahead, that is the American deam, try try try to get something better then your parents had strive to be the best you can be. Alot of people in this country want a free ride because they were or are discriminated against and that is just unrealistic to do. I don't understand I guess what it is that you are asking for, maybe that would have helped instead of just blabbing my mouth. I do not understand what black people go through or for that matter any other race that I am not, But you cannot understand what other races go through either so who is to say who has it worse now.
The past is the past and should be taught to our children so they know how wrong people were back then, as for now I think we as a country need to work together to make America the best it can be and stop trying to divide into different groups and rip this country apart.
What happened to the slaves was horrible and wrong and the people that took part in owning, selling, rounding up, beating, and killing these people should have been punished, but that did not happen and now never will. If we live in the past we are destined to be held back. I do not believe that the "ghettos" are due to slavery or anything else other than people who cannot get ahead. I have lived in many different places and when I was in a place I could not stand I had to work harder to move to a place I could deal with. It was very hard, but I wanted to live in a better place that was safer for me and my family.Just because I am a woman I do not believe that I should have gotten it easier because my sex was oppressed for so long. I proved to myself and my family that I could do it on my own as they someday will have to do, stive for a better life.
I know but I think you still fail to see that me as an individual black am not trying to say that we should get something now. I do not hold any hatred towards people from what happened in the past. I just think it was unfair that we had to strive on our own after slavery and then segregation after that. It just ticks me off when people act like it was nothing despite how much my ancestors suffered. All I want now is respect and the understanding of what blacks went through and not just a " So what, that's not a big deal the Natives suffered longer"
I understand that the Natives suffered longer but that doesn't make slavery any less worse. They are two different things. That's just like me saying " So what if that Black Man was whipped 12 times. That Native American Man was whipped 15 times so that makes the blacks mans whippings not horrible at all."
See my point? Just because you point out that the Natives have suffered longer doesn't make slavery seem like a tea party. I just hate it when people think that they can just talk about slavery as if it wasn't horrible. People who think that way are not really logical............
I think some just talk about slavery as no big deal because they just don't want to talk about something seriously because they know that there was no real " Apology" given to the Africans. I think most people just are angry because some blacks do abuse the race card. Some though don't just talk about it to try to get through life. Some talk about the truth......
All I have been seeing in my debates on tis topic are people accusing the black debaters of being racist just for sticking up for their own history. Basically the people who call them racist are just saying " Stop sticking up for your history so strongly. Your giving me the impression that your trying to say it's my fault and that you hate me."
I have dealt with this a lot. Every time I do talk about the History of slavery some whites act like I am personally trying to say that it is their fault. I mean there is no reason for them to be guilty. I don't connect them to slavery like that. When I see a white person my first thought isn't " Oh here's another descendant of the slave owner."
My first impression is actually that they are just a person like me. So I am tired of all these comment like I am trying to say that all whites are reliable and crap. That's not what I am saying at all.
This post doesn't refer to you Lopez. So don't get offended
I know your an understanding person. I don't want any kind of reparations. I will make it on my own and become a Zoologist because animals are fun :D
All I ask is for people to stop the ignorance and start realizing that Slavery was serious business as well. I don't complain about racism like some people think. I really had no reason for it. I just mind my own business and get the job done :O | | | | Edited: May 30, 2008 @ 20:33 | |
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