Forums: Politics: AbortionWould you kill your aging parents or grandparents? |
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imperfect_rose![]() Bradford, Canada | #1 People say they would abort a baby if it showed signs of being physically abnormal. So would these same people kill their aging physical imperfect parents or grandparents. They would cause the same need that a disabled child would have. The same way that it is possible to find a place to care for the aged, there are places to care for physical disabled babies. This includes couples that have the special gift to adopt and love them. Why do so many think of the option of abortion, but not for adoption for these babies? | ||||||
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| treebee Government Hooker ![]() London, United Kingdom | #2 You have to take into account that usually if a baby is aborted because it has gross deformities it is on the advice of the obestetrician because they know that the baby will probably die a painful death if it is born, or have a life time of complications and surgeries and never be able to communicate. Having said that people do abort on the basis of spina bifida or down's syndrome. Thats their call. A person can live a happy life with either of those conditions but whether the parents are capable of actually caring for them is another thing, or whether they are capable of handing thier child over for adoption. As far as the grandparents goes, well if they were in pain or so demented they start eating thier own crap or cannot even communicate or care for themselves at all, i would consider euthanasia for them. I would want my own children to do the same for me. | ||||||
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| roBingoodfElLOW Baldylocks Deleted ![]() Over yonder, Tajikistan | #3 Well, if i were to be deciding whether to abort a child (god forbid i ever be in that position), i would assess whether the quality of life it would have would out weigh the pain of it's 'imperfection'and what treatment it would have to have. As far as killing parents or grandparents, it's incomparable as most old people can still make their own decisions, however, if it got to a point where my mum was in an awful condition and had no quality of life and i was given the decision, i would probably let her go. | ||||||
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hedkandi1984_21![]() London, United Kingdom | #4 @imperfect_rose Said ![]() People say they would abort a baby if it showed signs of being physically abnormal. So would these same people kill their aging physical imperfect parents or grandparents. They would cause the same need that a disabled child would have. The same way that it is possible to find a place to care for the aged, there are places to care for physical disabled babies. This includes couples that have the special gift to adopt and love them. Why do so many think of the option of abortion, but not for adoption for these babies? Well, first off, some physically imperfect parents or grandparents can still actually think of themselves and evaluate their own quality of life. So many of them can make that decision for themselves. There are still a few countries out there that allow assisted suicide, or they can decide to off themselves if that's what it comes to. Also, killing them is defined as murder, whereas abortion depends on your perspective, hence why there is so much debate. Also, most couples who are looking to adopt do NOT want physically imperfect children, so you'd probably end up with a load of children stuck in orphanages throughout their childhood. There is no guarantee of how good their quality of life would be. One of my cousins has Down's Syndrome and the resources and services available to her in our area of London are extremely limited. Then, as mentioned before me, aborting babies in this situation is often done on professional, medical advice. People tend to listen to their doctors. | ||||||
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| Kasabian Deleted ![]() , United Kingdom | #5 @imperfect_rose Said ![]() People say they would abort a baby if it showed signs of being physically abnormal. So would these same people kill their aging physical imperfect parents or grandparents. They would cause the same need that a disabled child would have. The same way that it is possible to find a place to care for the aged, there are places to care for physical disabled babies. This includes couples that have the special gift to adopt and love them. Why do so many think of the option of abortion, but not for adoption for these babies? Maybe they feel theres enough suffering in the world without adding to it Do you 'WANT' to see your offspring suffering? Would you find it easy to give it up for adoption? Are you not suffering enough already?I cared for my uncle who had parkinsons and my aunt who had alzheimers to their deathbed. I would have put them out of the misery if it was legal long long before they finally succumbed. | ||||||
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| Kristy69 Carly's Mommy ![]() Underneath the Cyanide Sun.... | #6 @imperfect_rose Said ![]() People say they would abort a baby if it showed signs of being physically abnormal. So would these same people kill their aging physical imperfect parents or grandparents. They would cause the same need that a disabled child would have. The same way that it is possible to find a place to care for the aged, there are places to care for physical disabled babies. This includes couples that have the special gift to adopt and love them. Why do so many think of the option of abortion, but not for adoption for these babies? This is incredibly biased. Yes, if my mom or dad were suffering at an old age, Idk about killing them (that's illegal) but I'd try to make their suffering less. My mom always told me if she was a vegetable or incredibly old, just pull the plug or smother her of something. Some people don't want to even be pregnant/carry to term. Other times the mother's life is in jeopardy or the child is inevitably going to die. There are so many shades of grey that it's not even funny. Everyone's situation is different. and Idk about you, but it would pain me incredibly to carry a child all the way and hand it off to some strangers (considering I want to be a mom). It would hurt to abort if I got pregnant, say tomorrow, but it'd be for the greater good. I'm only 16. I have so much more in life to do. I'm not ready to be a mom or handle the emotional strain of letting my baby go elsewhere. | ||||||
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| sunandsurf13 Deleted ![]() Sydney, Australia | #7 @imperfect_rose Said ![]() People say they would abort a baby if it showed signs of being physically abnormal. So would these same people kill their aging physical imperfect parents or grandparents. They would cause the same need that a disabled child would have. The same way that it is possible to find a place to care for the aged, there are places to care for physical disabled babies. This includes couples that have the special gift to adopt and love them. Why do so many think of the option of abortion, but not for adoption for these babies? I feel that for many couples in this scenario, they receive advice from their ob/gyn's and specialists that the quality of life for the child would be slim to nil. I seem to recall quite a few years back a court case by a disfigured and mentally challenged girl who sued her parents for HAVING her. She claimed that her parents should have terminated the pregnancy, knowing full well the challenges she would face, as her life was just unbearable - for her. I don't recall if this US girl was successful at law, but it does throw a different spin on it. For elderly people, their lives have probably been full of purpose, intellectual stimulus and dignity - UNTIL age and infirmity catches up with them, as it will all of us. To face an entire lifetime of mental challenge and physical dependence on someone else is to some, not a life worth living. If the child is unborn but the problems are clear, the best people to make the decision about that child's future are the parents. | |||||||
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| Asme251 Area Man ![]() Boston, Massachusetts | #8 Aborting a baby and killing your Grandparents are two very different things. A fetus does not have a material life. It doesn't enjoy the same things that fully grown adults do. It doesn't even have the brain power to want to live. It wouldn't care for living or dying. It only gets its impetus to live once it has been born and has a material life. Elderly people, however, have already have a life experience. They do have the brain capacity to want to live and they would also have memories of life which would drive them to keep on living. So you cannot compare abortion to killing the elderly. | ||||||
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| Hiromi Deleted ![]() , Gaza Strip | #9 They be ded already | ||||||
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fitzyp![]() Auckland, New Zealand | #10 The old person is sentient. The foetus is not. Case closed. | ||||||
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| sunandsurf13 Deleted ![]() Sydney, Australia | #11 haven't seen you here for a while fitzy! and you graced us with an opinion of your own! brilliant. ![]() | ||||||
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fitzyp![]() Auckland, New Zealand | #12 @sunandsurf13 Said ![]() haven't seen you here for a while fitzy! and you graced us with an opinion of your own! brilliant. Yeah I got MySky so as you can imagine I was rather "busy" with that. Strange isn't it? I must be sick or something. Don't worry though, I'm sure I'll be back top my opinionless self soon enough. | ||||||
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| sunandsurf13 Deleted ![]() Sydney, Australia | #13 @fitzyp Said ![]() Yeah I got MySky so as you can imagine I was rather "busy" with that. Strange isn't it? I must be sick or something. Don't worry though, I'm sure I'll be back top my opinionless self soon enough. Cool. Welcome back. ![]() | ||||||
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DestenyGrace![]() Pendleton, Oregon | #14 @imperfect_rose Said ![]() People say they would abort a baby if it showed signs of being physically abnormal. So would these same people kill their aging physical imperfect parents or grandparents. They would cause the same need that a disabled child would have. The same way that it is possible to find a place to care for the aged, there are places to care for physical disabled babies. This includes couples that have the special gift to adopt and love them. Why do so many think of the option of abortion, but not for adoption for these babies? I have an interesting story to add to that. It's the reason I would not abort a baby that I was told would be "deformed" or "disabled" when it was born. I have a younger sister. If my parents had listened to my mother's doctor when she had her first ultra sound, my sister wouldn't be alive. My parents were told she would be a still born. They said her liver wouldn't be fully developed, her kidneys wouldn't be fully developed, her lungs wouldn't be fully developed and it looked as though her face was deformed. The doctor recommended that she kill my sister. 10 years later my sister is a happy, normal 10 year old girl. There was nothing wrong with her at all. Science isn't always right. | ||||||
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| Kristy69 Carly's Mommy ![]() Underneath the Cyanide Sun.... | #15 @DestenyGrace Said ![]() I have an interesting story to add to that. It's the reason I would not abort a baby that I was told would be "deformed" or "disabled" when it was born. I have a younger sister. If my parents had listened to my mother's doctor when she had her first ultra sound, my sister wouldn't be alive. My parents were told she would be a still born. They said her liver wouldn't be fully developed, her kidneys wouldn't be fully developed, her lungs wouldn't be fully developed and it looked as though her face was deformed. The doctor recommended that she kill my sister. 10 years later my sister is a happy, normal 10 year old girl. There was nothing wrong with her at all. Science isn't always right. But it's right most of the time. That's not a very common scenario. | ||||||
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