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Would you have have voted for the Nazi's?
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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 16:35:24#1
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I know the immediate reaction will be "no". But think about the times, and the conditions at the time. Economic destress, massunemployment, democracy thats not working, communistic revolution happening all around you. Mass Poverty, Mass injustice, the belief that there will be no decent future. Then the Nazi's come along with a sollution to your countries problems. National socialist german workers party, they sound apealing.

Though with knowledge now it is easy to realise how evil they were, but at the time i reckon there is a good chance i would have voted for them. anyone agree?

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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 16:37:09#2
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No i would have voted for the Spartacists that existed at the time as they seemed to be able to act on there own initiative and could be better than the nazi party politically, even if the nazi's did not guide the country to war the German Spartisists seemed a better party.

So No.

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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 16:39:58#3
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lupinstar said:
No i would have voted for the Spartacists that existed at the time as they seemed to be able to act on there own initiative and could be better than the nazi party politically, even if the nazi's did not guide the country to war the German Spartisists seemed a better party.

So No.


The spartacists were totaly f***ed up at the time. the whole left wing of German politics (sdp, kdp etc) was in tatters. They didnt manage to create the apeal. I'd love to say i would have voted for the spartacists (as a socialist) but in the end even at the time the German people knew the Spartacists werent going anywhere, they would need a revolution, which had already been attempted and failed.
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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 16:43:56#4
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Look at the date Mein Kampf was published.

Then look at the date Hitler was elected.

Then, if you haven't done so already, read Mein Kampf.

In short, no one had any excuse to vote for Adolf Hitler.

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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 16:44:52#5
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They were going everywhere, the uprisings in 1919 showed they had the political power to move, if only the Freikorps were not so right wing the spartacists would have won germany over. Nazi ideology was flawed from the start its just that the Germans couldnt see it till the end.

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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 16:46:03#6
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i've read Mein Kampf, but most Germans at the time hadnt. and anyway, i really think if you lived in Germany at the time you would. has anyone here bought and S Club 7 or busted, or mcfly or whatever other popstars are arounds cd? becouse it's the same sorta idea.

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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 16:46:51#7
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lupinstar said:
They were going everywhere, the uprisings in 1919 showed they had the political power to move, if only the Freikorps were not so right wing the spartacists would have won germany over. Nazi ideology was flawed from the start its just that the Germans couldnt see it till the end.


and you think you'd have seen it before the end?
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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 16:47:26#8
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lupinstar said:
They were going everywhere, the uprisings in 1919 showed they had the political power to move, if only the Freikorps were not so right wing the spartacists would have won germany over. Nazi ideology was flawed from the start its just that the Germans couldnt see it till the end.


actualy, how exactly is it flawed?
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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 16:54:01#9
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There was nothing that the Spartacists couldnt promise that wasnt woth it. The Nazi's idea of an arean race is a physical improbabilty also the role of women was very demeening it would not work if they really needed a war time aconomy, women could not work, people should have understood it, even the Weimar Republic had better chance than the Nazi party as it was doomed to end in war. I would have been a spartacist and i would have seen this all.

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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 16:55:40#10
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lupinstar said:
There was nothing that the Spartacists couldnt promise that wasnt woth it. The Nazi's idea of an arean race is a physical improbabilty also the role of women was very demeening it would not work if they really needed a war time aconomy, women could not work, people should have understood it, even the Weimar Republic had better chance than the Nazi party as it was doomed to end in war. I would have been a spartacist and i would have seen this all.


i doubt it. You want to have seen it all, but really you wouldnt have. and the spartacists had less chance of surviving than the Nazi's. And i think the Nazi's survived very well. They were geniouses. unethical yes, but also geniouses. it could, and possably should, have worked.
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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 17:00:34#11
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It should have never worked, it was all propaganda and the german nation fell for it, then a domino effect that kept them loyal. On the inside though many germans broke down at the nazi ideology, it made no sence, economic prospertity yes but the spartacists said that, arean race, not realistic and the expantion plans were insane.

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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 17:03:51#12
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lupinstar said:
It should have never worked, it was all propaganda and the german nation fell for it, then a domino effect that kept them loyal. On the inside though many germans broke down at the nazi ideology, it made no sence, economic prospertity yes but the spartacists said that, arean race, not realistic and the expantion plans were insane.


I dissagree, i think if they hadnt made some of the stupid decisions they made later on (e.g. some of the timing of the invasion of the sudetenland and the like) then i honestly believe they could have acheived their aims. If he played more on the help of Franco, mussilini and even Chamberlain then Hitler could have acheived his aims by playing on the fact he was fighting the "evil communist state of russia" blah blah blah. Nazism could have worked.
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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 17:06:18#13
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He did not attack Russia infact he made a damned pact with the Russians. He went land grabbing which is what he said he would do in the first place and if the german nation were not so amazed by the propaganda and that the spartacists had been hunted by the Freikorps for no reason Germany would have been so different.

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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 17:07:44#14
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lupinstar said:
He did not attack Russia infact he made a damned pact with the Russians. He went land grabbing which is what he said he would do in the first place and if the german nation were not so amazed by the propaganda and that the spartacists had been hunted by the Freikorps for no reason Germany would have been so different.


That was one of the mistakes he made. thats what im saying, keep up.
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New Post! Jul 03, 2006 @ 17:14:38#15
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I have, the arean race ideology was terrible. The way that women were not really part of society. THe landgrabbing forms one of the three major reasons why Hitler did not deserve power.

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