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Lili
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Join Date: Apr 2005 | #16 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:33:21 If the cable companies did this, there would be such a backlash of outrage, they'd likely quickly back down just for PR reasons. Kind of like how T-Mobile was gonna limit their data plans to 1 GB but everyone b****ed about it so much, they immediately backed down and made it unlimited.
Also, something like this leaves a huge hole in the market. Imagine all the current ISP's do something like this. Everyone would be pissed but also feel helpless, which makes them even more angry. Then, one company says, 'We are the only company with wide open internet. No limitations, surf whatever sites you want!" They would become so popular so fast, that all the other ISP's would be in serious danger of bankruptcy if they didn't follow suit. You would be watching ISP after ISP clamber over itself to stay competative, each abandoning their tiering system faster than you can say "I want to cancel my account." |  |
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Join Date: Aug 2005 | #17 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:37:46 Lili said:
If the cable companies did this, there would be such a backlash of outrage, they'd likely quickly back down just for PR reasons. Kind of like how T-Mobile was gonna limit their data plans to 1 GB but everyone b****ed about it so much, they immediately backed down and made it unlimited.
Also, something like this leases a huge hole in the market. Imagine all the current ISP's do something like this. Everyone would be pissed but also feel helpless, which makes them even more angry. Then, one company sayins, 'We are the only company with wide open internet. No limitations, surf whatever sites you want!" They would become so popular so fast, that all the other ISP's would be in serious danger of bankruptcy if they didn't follow suit. You would be watching ISP after ISP clamber over itself to stay competative, each abandoning their tiering system faster than you can say "I want to cancel my account."
This relies on the availability of choice.
I actually only have one choice for internet: Time Warner. Verizon DSL isn't even available to me, and those are the only two possible options in my area.
Back where my family lives it's Cox or dial-up.
Most homes have, at most, two pipes: one owned by the phone company and one owned by the cable company. | | |
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Join Date: Oct 2009 | #18 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:39:34 jonnythan said:
This relies on the availability of choice.
I actually only have one choice for internet: Time Warner. Verizon DSL isn't even available to me, and those are the only two possible options in my area.
Back where my family lives it's Cox or dial-up.
Most homes have, at most, two pipes: one owned by the phone company and one owned by the cable company.
Same here. It's either comcast cable or something through the phone line. I don't even know if we can get DSL or not. If they ever have wi-fi available over the entire city that would be another choice I guess. | | |
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Join Date: Aug 2005 | #19 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:39:50 Tako_400 said:
Never heard of this before now. I suppose it'll come to the US before hitting anywhere else... And that's if it happens. But I don't understand... That internet isn't owned by anyone. It's public. So how can certain ISP's charge people for using certain websites on the internet?
Just like the graphic states. If Time Warner implemented this, they could simply block Youtube if I didn't want to pay. I could try to go to the site and get rerouted to a billing page allowing me to sign up for access.
Time Warner could also block Youtube from all of its customers if Youtube refused to pay Time Warner access fees.
It's thoroughly possible. | | |
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Join Date: Apr 2009 | #20 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:43:23 Ellen said:
It doesn't matter if the internet is owned by anybody or not because you still have to pay an ISP to access it and use their bandwidth. Right now they throttle the bandwidth of some sites to give more bandwidth to their sites. If a net neutrality law is passed in the US then US based carriers will no longer be allowed to do that.
Mmhmm... What about state run internet? Don't we have any of those? | | |
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Join Date: Oct 2009 | #21 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:44:54 Tako_400 said:
Mmhmm... What about state run internet? Don't we have any of those?
Not here we don't, not that I know of and I wouldn't want it either. They'll do the same hing if not worse. | | |
Lili
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Join Date: Apr 2005 | #22 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:47:17 jonnythan said:
This relies on the availability of choice.
I actually only have one choice for internet: Time Warner. Verizon DSL isn't even available to me, and those are the only two possible options in my area.
Back where my family lives it's Cox or dial-up.
Most homes have, at most, two pipes: one owned by the phone company and one owned by the cable company.
That's not true. You can sign up for internet through a wide range of companies that are not your phone company or cable company. Earthlink, AOL, NetZero, Juno, etc. And then there's also satellite internet which you can get anywhere in the world. Sure it's more expensive, but not *that* much more expensive. | | |
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Join Date: Oct 2009 | #23 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:48:34 Lili said:
That's not true. You can sign up for internet through a wide range of companies that are not your phone company or cable company. Earthlink, AOL, NetZero, Juno, etc.
You're not going to get cable broadband with any of those and I doubt you'll get DSL either. You can get dial up but nobody want dial up. | | |
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Join Date: Apr 2008 | #24 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:49:51 Lili said:
That's not true. You can sign up for internet through a wide range of companies that are not your phone company or cable company. Earthlink, AOL, NetZero, Juno, etc.
Um but how do you think you get to those sites? I could sign up with one but without going through my cable company or DSL I'll never get to them. |  |
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Join Date: Apr 2005 | #25 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:53:28 plebian_angel said:
Um but how do you think you get to those sites? I could sign up with one but without going through my cable company or DSL I'll never get to them.
How has anyone ever signed up with any of them when they are starting out with no connection? You are given a temorary connection to any one of their sites to let you sign up. It's in the internet connection wizard in Windows. | | |
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Join Date: Apr 2008 | #26 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:54:47 Lili said:
How has anyone ever signed up with any of them when they are starting out with no connection? You are given a temorary connection to any one of their sites to let you sign up. It's in the internet connection wizard in Windows.
How does that work then?
AOL was running a scam here a few years ago that on top of your current connection you got them for an extra $10/mo so you were paying for both.
And what are the speeds? | | |
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Join Date: Aug 2008 | #27 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:55:17 This argument has been going on for a long time, I wish they would just pass for net neutrality. If they don't, the cable companies are just going to monopolize the industry and its not like we have that much choice in our options.
Cable companies all try to say on top of each other...kinda like coke and Pepsi. Two similar products, neither will go up or down that much because they have a set market and it won't do either one good if they are setting prices too low or high. Manufacture based prices and created competition.
And cable is setting us up for a monopolize situation knowing that we have different choices outside of their range. | | |
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Join Date: Aug 2005 | #29 Oct 28, 2009 @ 15:57:50 Lili said:
That's not true. You can sign up for internet through a wide range of companies that are not your phone company or cable company. Earthlink, AOL, NetZero, Juno, etc.
NetZero and Juno are dialup, and as far as I can tell the only provider services AOL actually offers are dialup. Earthlink and the small handful of similar providers use either the local CableCo or Telco's pipes and those companies can continue to block or throttle them as they see fit.
Furthermore, there are only a few (10?) Tier 1 backbones owned by companies like AT&T, Verizon, and Qwest. These major backbone providers often don't deal directly with companies but certainly have the ability to throttle or block packets from the likes of Google or Hulu if they don't pay. | | |
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Join Date: Aug 2008 | #30 Oct 28, 2009 @ 16:04:26 You still are paying whatever company to get internet, whether its a phone, cable or other provider is a little irrelevant.
The argument is that these major companies are steering you towards only using their product, they are limiting access to other "choices" that the internet provides. And by getting limited access and getting a slow connection to say hulu, they are making you pay extra to get that same service through your internet provider. The problem by doing that is, that they are driving they're own prices to what they want and you have very little choice in having to pay. Even if you opt out of using a major company to get your internet, the major companies are still limiting the bandwidth of certain sties causing you problems even if you are not related to that company. | | |
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