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New Post! Aug 17, 2009 @ 10:23:56#1
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I've gotten my back up several times when reading. "Oh I'm so depressed my boyfriend and I broke up." or something similar. The overused term makes me very angry because I do suffer from a form of depression caused by chronic illness or pain. Were you to be around me you wouldn't guess and I would have to tell you that I'm in pain for you to know. My own husband and son forget that I'm not healthy so I must cover it well. I do not have major depression problems but I do go in to counseling for what I call a "tune up". Usually I can get back on track by following a good diet, exercising and seeing my psychologist. ( Your family is NEVER objective, we can be)
I'm writing this because the death of my friend has sent me into grieving and I always have to pay attention as to whether or not I'm sad or depressed. There's a HUGE difference.
This is why I can empathize with someone who suffers from Clinical Depression. I'm very fortunate, my symptoms are mild, but when someone talks about this, please pay attention. It's all about how long they've been sad, losing objectivity and losing the will to live.
I have only included the depression that goes with chronic pain. Just paying attention on this forum tells you it's so much more.

Fibromyalgia and Depression

Many studies link fibromyalgia and depression. In fact, about three out of every 10 people with fibromyalgia also have major depression at the time of their diagnosis.

Some researchers feel that depression leads to changes in brain chemistry. Others look at abnormalities of the sympathetic nervous system -- the part of the nervous system that determines how you handle stress and emergencies. These abnormalities, they contend, lead to the release of substances that cause more sensitivity to pain. The result is fibromyalgia with its chronic pain and feelings of depression.

Learning more about the connection between fibromyalgia and depression can help you seek appropriate medical treatment from your doctor. That includes asking your doctor about antidepressants.

By following an appropriate fibromyalgia treatment plan and getting the support of family and friends, you can take control of your fibromyalgia pain. You can also get control over your symptoms of depression and improve your quality of life.
What is depression?

Sadness is a normal reaction to loss, life's struggles, or an injured self-esteem. Depression surpasses sadness and becomes a problem that affects your whole life. People who are depressed commonly experience:

* loss of pleasure in enjoyable activities
* weight loss or gain
* low energy
* feelings of guilt
* a sense of worthlessness
* thoughts about death

These thoughts, physical changes, and feelings interfere with daily life.

Depression that lasts for weeks at a time may be characterized as major or clinical depression. There are other types of depression. Common types include chronic depression -- known as dysthymia, bipolar depression, and seasonal depression or seasonal affective disorder (SAD).
Is there a connection between fibromyalgia and depression?

There is a correlation between fibromyalgia and depression. The stress from fibromyalgia's constant pain and fatigue can cause anxiety and social isolation. The chronic deep muscle and trigger point pain can result in less activity. That causes you to become more withdrawn and can also lead to depression. It is also possible that anxiety and depression are part of fibromyalgia, just like the pain.

Depression and fibromyalgia can greatly interfere with the way you manage your activities at home or at work. Yet symptoms of depression and fibromyalgia can be treated successfully. What's needed is a combination of medications -- including antidepressants -- alternative therapies, cognitive behavioral therapy, and lifestyle habits. So it is important to openly discuss any symptoms of depression you have with your doctors.
Do people with fibromyalgia know they are depressed?

Some people with fibromyalgia and chronic pain may be aware they are depressed. Others may not be sure they are depressed. Nevertheless, they know something is wrong.

The signs of depression with chronic pain may include:

* decreased energy
* difficulty concentrating or making decisions
* feelings of hopelessness, guilt, or irritability
* loss of interest in nearly all activities
* persistent sad or anxious mood
* uncontrollable tearfulness

In severe cases, depression with chronic pain can lead to thoughts of death or suicide.




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New Post! Aug 17, 2009 @ 10:26:04#2
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Sorry I didn't read your thread all the way through because it is very long, and I just wanted to say the term depression is thrown around a lot when people just feel depressed.

Being clinically depressed and feeling a bit depressed are very different things.






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New Post! Aug 17, 2009 @ 10:31:26#3
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angelcake said:

Sorry I didn't read your thread all the way through because it is very long, and I just wanted to say the term depression is thrown around a lot when people just feel depressed.

Being clinically depressed and feeling a bit depressed are very different things.


If you had read the whole thing it covers that. Depression whether it's called clinical or not is beyond sadness. It's a term that is still used way too much.



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i think the overuse comes from all the awareness we have now on the subject...

on the one hand, this new awareness is a positive thing for all those obvious reasons...

on the other hand... people who dont have anything of the sort will start to convince themselves that they do... i honestly believe that if we didnt know as much about depression fewer people would suffer from it, because fewer people would 'think themselves' into developing it... certainly fewer people would go around saying they have it when they clearly dont...

if that makes sense...




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I can never tell what 'Depression' actually is. I've heard the term being used to describe a whole range of different things that it has actually become confusing.

I think I hold 'Depression' on a pedestal, that being this unknown state that I will never experience (ofcourse I cannot know that) because I am worried that I will believe myself to be depressed when I am not.

What would you describe someone who suffers from the symptoms of depression but not all of them?

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New Post! Aug 17, 2009 @ 10:45:49#6
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jmo said:

I can never tell what 'Depression' actually is. I've heard the term being used to describe a whole range of different things that it has actually become confusing.

I think I hold 'Depression' on a pedestal, that being this unknown state that I will never experience (ofcourse I cannot know that) because I am worried that I will believe myself to be depressed when I am not.

What would you describe someone who suffers from the symptoms of depression but not all of them?



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They're in my post but to be succinct, here-
Having all of these for an extended period of time is depression
loss of pleasure in enjoyable activities
* weight loss or gain
* low energy
* feelings of guilt
* a sense of worthlessness
* thoughts about death



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readsalot said:

Having all of these for an extended period of time is depression



i know you dont like to debate on these threads, but i dont think that you need to have all them... you can be clinically depressed without being suicidal, or gaining/losing weight...

its not really about which of the symptoms that are shown... its about the depth to which they rip you apart inside, the weight with which they crush you... and, of course, the inability to get past them and the lack of reasoning for such feelings...



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readsalot said:

If you had read the whole thing it covers that. Depression whether it's called clinical or not is beyond sadness. It's a term that is still used way too much.



hi . i recently came to terms with my problems and got help , im now on prozac to help control my depression(advise taken from you) it is a bit weird trying to tell ppl about how you feel coz in many ways you dont actually understand it yourself. or at least i dont. i cry for no reason and tend to want to spend more time on my own than with others, i tend to feel that ppl look at me like i have some sort of weird messed up desease but in fact ppl arnt looking at me at all. many of the pain side of things i suffer from and it does sometimes make me feel pysically sick, i get myself worked up over the smallest things. but in all i am starting to feel that i have a better hold of my problem and im trying different things to help control what i do and say. ......what you have written in this post is valuble and you realy are a credit to TFS. to come out and advise so many ppl yet have your own problems is an amazing thing. ppl like you should be a saint and as far as i am concerned you are.......mike



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I am so glad someone has the same opinion as me. Feeling blue and being depressed are seperate things.

What really gets me are people who go to the doctors, get anti depressants and in their mind that means they are clinically depressed. I am sorry but I am very skeptical about it - anyone can get anti-depressants. Doctors are there to prescribe drugs and they will prescribe them to anyone who comes in and says the right things
I believe all 'depression' cases should be diagnosed by a psychiatrist not a doctor.

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chisa96 said:

i know you dont like to debate on these threads, but i dont think that you need to have all them... you can be clinically depressed without being suicidal, or gaining/losing weight...

its not really about which of the symptoms that are shown... its about the depth to which they rip you apart inside, the weight with which they crush you... and, of course, the inability to get past them and the lack of reasoning for such feelings...


You're right, it was from the thread on fibromyalgia. Not all depressed people are suicidal. Weight gain or loss can be a side effect from having no appetite, to trying to fill up emptiness of depression with food. I won't debate religion, anything else, just get me going.



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I don't really see a problem with it.
We have to accept that in the vernacular words change in their meaning and they fall into popular use.

I think depression in it's everyday use may even outdate it's medical definition.. (?)

It would serve better to be upset at the insitutions that classify these disorders and name them, maybe the next DSM should reclassify clinical depression in order to remove it form everyday depression.

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readsalot said:

anything else, just get me going.



lol... well thats tough when we've just agreed...



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Indeed.

It is important to remember, that depression, and associated feelings, are possibly caused by chemical imbalances in the mind. They're no more or less controllable, and therefore should attract no more or less stigma, than if you had say broken your arm.

A broken arm is easier to fix than something affecting your quality of life mentally. There are in these modern times, medications which can address these chemical imbalances - Prozac or Citalopram to name two - and these can help as a "prop" until the core issue can be sorted.

However, it is a bit off for someone to say they are depressed when they are just feeling a bit down because their sodding football team lost on penalties. It's a bit the same for people saying they have flu when it's a cold (The early symptoms are similar, but flu is not cold, arrrrrgh)




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EmilyO said:

I am so glad someone has the same opinion as me. Feeling blue and being depressed are seperate things.

What really gets me are people who go to the doctors, get anti depressants and in their mind that means they are depressed. I am sorry but I am very skeptical about it - anyone can get anti-depressants. Doctors are there to prescribe drugs and they will prescribe them to anyone who comes in with a sad story.
These people who claim to be so upset should see a psychiatrist for a proper diagnosis not an average doctor.



hi . i agree with what you say, for this reason it makes it very hard for ppl who genuinely are depressed to go get help. when i went to docs the one thing i said was that i couldnt sleep and straight away she said do i want pills to help me sleep. i said no because i couldnt see how having sleeping pills could help what i was feeling, ive had "depression" for 5 years and at first found it hard to admit that i had, i got tabs and stopped taking them coz i couldnt admit something was wrong, but now i have realised that i do have a problem that affects everything i do, in more ways than i could type on this post. the one way i see depression is that it not easy to admit but feeling down or blue is easier to say,hope this makes sense.....mike



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EmilyO said:

I am so glad someone has the same opinion as me. Feeling blue and being depressed are seperate things.

What really gets me are people who go to the doctors, get anti depressants and in their mind that means they are clinically depressed. I am sorry but I am very skeptical about it - anyone can get anti-depressants. Doctors are there to prescribe drugs and they will prescribe them to anyone who comes in and says the right things
I believe all 'depression' cases should be diagnosed by a psychiatrist not a doctor.


The psychological service where I work has a very strict policy. You must first see a psychiatrist for a thorough diagnosis. They and only they prescribe medication. If you do not need medication or if you are on medication and are doing well you see a psychologist.
Psychologist cannot prescribe, however I do keep the psychiatrist informed of changes which need to have a more thorough study.



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