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sidhe
Über-General
519 points
36/F/Geelong, Australia
Join Date: May 2008 | moonscar said:
It seems that every time I make a topic about black people he gets all defensive. Like one time I made a topic about Black History month and how it is viewed as less important at times. He made a post claiming that I was trying to call all whites racist just because I was mentioning how sometimes Black history is viewed as less important as white history. The reason I made this topic is because the Spongebob forum I go to is made up of mostly white kids. When I mentioned black history they were like " Whats black history". I think everyone should know their history no matter what but these kids are not really involved in anything that has to do with black people as far as knowledge goes.
I'm with you on this one moonscar. Despite the progress we (the human family) have made with regard to eradicating racial prejudice it remains deeply entrenched in many sectors. I'm a white Australian and live nearby a spot where thousands of indigenous people where poisoned, shot, chained up and forced into slavery, and even though our government has apologised to what we call the 'Stolen Generation' - stolen because so many young children and babies where taken from their mothers and families, the racism is rife as ever in this country. Sure, there's an active reconciliation movement, but the 'White Supremecists' far outnumber the more compassionate and progressive thinkers. I believe it's essential that people have a thorough understanding of Black history in the United States. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of people who were kidnapped from their homeland and forced to work under the most appalling conditions. Few white people realize how this forced labour contributed to America's growth and prosperity and to the lifestyle you all enjoy today. Sadly there are many people who choose to remain ignorant and will become hostile whenever the subject of racial prejudice comes up. Perhaps if you were to approach this particular boy or your forum from another angle ie: statistics ( for example in the 1,700's the US was producing 7/8ths of the world's cotton produced mainly from forced black labour )this may help him see things from a clearer perspective. Another interesting way would be to begin tracing your family tree; this is a fascinating subject and who knows? You might discover some relatives you didn't know you had. Good luck with it moonscar, and remember to be patient with these types, after all it's HIS loss, and if you end up with an African-American President ( and I think you might ) the whole COUNTRY will be there to back you up.
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moonscar
Meister
1431 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | not4sale said:
That is one thing I was referring to(his choice of site to discuss the issue on, that is). Though I'm getting the impression that this alleged 14 year old white male may not be defensive or offended by moonscar's posts. I'm sensing an ulterior motive for his responses to moonscar.
Me defensive? Of what? On the Spongebob forum there is a sub category for deep discussions such as these. in this sub category you get to talk about the holocaust, racism towards Muslims, etc.
I don't see what's wrong with making a topic about black history. What do you mean "the 14 year old" is not getting defensive? For your information he gets a heck of a lot defensive, which is why he puts words in my mouth and calls me racist towards whites just because I point out that black history is viewed as less important. just today I looked at replies to the topic and I still get "what's black history?". Most of them are white and don't really have blacks around them so they don't understand them. By the way, the 14 year old is the same kid who said that blacks should get over slavery because it "wasn't that bad". I don't see how I am being the defensive one just for making a topic about black history. Maybe a wanted to bring something of black origin into the forums for once. It's just that when I do you get that boy that is always paranoid when I talk about black suffering and what not. I can give you a link to the topic I made. link [www.sbmania.net]
Of course his post was removed after I reported him but there isn't really any reason for his actions. I notice that he feels uncomfortable when I do start talking about black people. He is non understanding of the black race which is the case with a lot of white people. A lot of whites think that black people have nothing to complain about which isn't true. The boy is just defensive. No one is bothering him or making him feel uncomfortable. He only gets like that when I mention anything that has to do with black people. That's when he feels he has to curse me out and say that I am trying to call him racist even when my post doesn't mention him or have anything against white people. I never make post that encourage white hate. The boy just doesn't want me talking about black people at all because he feels that blacks should just " Shut there mouths and stop talking about slavery and pretend it never happened". So I don't see how making a topic about black origin for once is bad. I mean the site pretty much isolates anything black and when I try to talk about it I get uncomfortable people which really ticks me off sometimes because me talking about slavery in the deep discussions is no different then when they talk about the holocaust. They seem to think that when I talk about it I am pretty much saying " All whites are evil and should go to hell!". that's not what I am saying at all. just like when they talk about the Holocaust they are not saying that all Germans are evil. So black Origin deserves the same respect without uncomfortable tensions. Besides I was apart of that site way before the boy who is defensive so I don't think I should leave. | | | |
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moonscar
Meister
1431 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | sidhe said: I'm with you on this one moonscar. Despite the progress we (the human family) have made with regard to eradicating racial prejudice it remains deeply entrenched in many sectors. I'm a white Australian and live nearby a spot where thousands of indigenous people where poisoned, shot, chained up and forced into slavery, and even though our government has apologised to what we call the 'Stolen Generation' - stolen because so many young children and babies where taken from their mothers and families, the racism is rife as ever in this country. Sure, there's an active reconciliation movement, but the 'White Supremecists' far outnumber the more compassionate and progressive thinkers. I believe it's essential that people have a thorough understanding of Black history in the United States. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of people who were kidnapped from their homeland and forced to work under the most appalling conditions. Few white people realize how this forced labour contributed to America's growth and prosperity and to the lifestyle you all enjoy today. Sadly there are many people who choose to remain ignorant and will become hostile whenever the subject of racial prejudice comes up. Perhaps if you were to approach this particular boy or your forum from another angle ie: statistics ( for example in the 1,700's the US was producing 7/8ths of the world's cotton produced mainly from forced black labour )this may help him see things from a clearer perspective. Another interesting way would be to begin tracing your family tree; this is a fascinating subject and who knows? You might discover some relatives you didn't know you had. Good luck with it moonscar, and remember to be patient with these types, after all it's HIS loss, and if you end up with an African-American President ( and I think you might ) the whole COUNTRY will be there to back you up.
I will try to approach the boy with a different angle but it just won't work. His ego is so high that he thinks anything I say is stupid without even giving it thought. he assumes I am inferior to him. Not because I am black but just because he has an over inflated ego and thinks he has so much wisdom. | | | |
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moonscar
Meister
1431 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | hallucinogenic_lipstick said: That is nothing to do with race then.
Just some kid being a knob head, take no notice 
Yeah but he also feels that I shouldn't talk about black suffering but it is ok to talk about the suffering of Jewish people. SO he is basically saying " No you do not get to talk about slavery because I think when you do your trying to say something against whites. It is ok to talk about the Holocaust though." | | | |
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moonscar
Meister
1431 points
14/M/Albany, New York
Join Date: May 2008 | hallucinogenic_lipstick said: Every race/religion at some point has suffered, maybe you should point that out to him.
My family were romany, many were killed in the jewish concentrations camps but because they were gypsies and had no ID or paperwork they never get talked about.
Thats people for you though 
I have pointed it out several times. He just doesn't like it when I talk about blacks period because he is so used to being around white people that he thinks that when I talk about blacks it means trouble for him which it doesn't. | | | |
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sidhe
Über-General
519 points
36/F/Geelong, Australia
Join Date: May 2008 | moonscar said:
He just doesn't like it when I talk about blacks period because he is so used to being around white people that he thinks that when I talk about blacks it means trouble for him which it doesn't.
moonscar I really admire your persistence; it's fairly obvious that this particular boy is a control-freak and that your raising an issue of which he's ignorant presents a threat to him, so basically you are a challenge to his position. He's touchy about the issue so it may be important to keep in mind that he has something of his own to feel guilty or ashamed of ( for example a racist family, or bullying at school ). If you can present your discussion in an objective way, do your research and gather your facts and remain cool, calm and collected at all times, and answere the other members questions without becoming indignant. Define what you mean by 'Black History' even if it sounds simplictic and a waste of time. Talk about how important a part the Black population has played in the developemnt of your country and try to emphasise the positive. Talk about how they fought willingly in the War for Independence. Talk about Martin Luther King. Write a kickass, memorable essay and post it with pride, providing links and dates and data. If anyone critises you ignore them, but if they express curiosity about a particular point be happy to provide them with more information and write another kicka** composition. Your opposers may not come around but they will learn something.
I'm an environmentalist and on my last forum I was forever being textually beaten up for my beliefs, but I continued to work steadily ahead and educated these people and eventually I won the debates because I presented the facts in ways that couldn't be disputed.
Ignore this boys jibes and don't let him deter you. He's probably jealous of the scope of your knowledge and the courage of your convictions. Don't let him wind you up if your objective is to educate these people. Point out to him that there's enough hatred in the world already and that you've as much right as anyone else there to express your veiws. Peace Brother. | | | |
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l_teddy10
Debater
5354 points
18/M/Roseburg, Oregon
Join Date: Apr 2008 | skinindustry said:
im sorry but im tired of all the "reverse racism" for example black history month? where is white history month? BET black entertainment television? where is white entertainment televison? if whites made either of those they would be racist but its okay for other races to do it. White ppl are the least racist of all the races, cause we are so damn scared to offend anyone we cant talk
Lol, I always wondered the same thing. And why isn't there like, Straight Pride marches?
I think it's because we honestly don't care. Why would we try to make people celebrate the history of whites when we ourselves don't really care about it that much.
And there is a White Entertainment Television. There's GAC(Great American Country), CMT(Country Music Television), OLN(Outdoor Life Network) and the Outdoor Channel...And Fox News. lol
The guy can feel uncomfortable around black people if he wants to. I know I do. If you don't like it, just stay away from him.
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