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sheskull On December 10, 2008




, Texas
#1New Post! Aug 25, 2006 @ 06:04:16
I know it's a strange and trivial thing to notice in such a strange movie, but in the movie " The Exorcism of Emily Rose" there's a scene in the courtroom where the lawyer tells the priest that humans have 2 sets of vocal chords and that tibetan monks are trained to use both.

So do humans really have 2 sets of vocal chords? If so how would one train themselves to use both???


I just find it so interesting that it might be possible. That and it'd be a great party trick to teach yourself

Lemme know if anyone knows anything about this.
musicequalslove On September 18, 2006




Veendam, Netherlands
#2New Post! Aug 25, 2006 @ 17:25:42
I don't think so :/
I know cats have two ^^
lucey On August 07, 2007




, United Kingdom
#3New Post! Aug 25, 2006 @ 22:03:37
yeh ,we do
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
Bringer of rad mirth


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Here and there,
#4New Post! Aug 25, 2006 @ 22:22:07
Everyone uses both... the trick is that they use each to generate a different note, so they can produce two different notes simultaneously.
treebee On September 13, 2014
Government Hooker

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London, United Kingdom
#5New Post! Aug 25, 2006 @ 22:24:16
LMAO i hate when im on the phone and my voice either drops or raises like a teenage boy Is that what we mean?
musicequalslove On September 18, 2006




Veendam, Netherlands
#6New Post! Aug 26, 2006 @ 12:49:02
@treebee Said
LMAO i hate when im on the phone and my voice either drops or raises like a teenage boy Is that what we mean?


Like.. Head and Chest voices? I mean, that's what we call it in Dutch. I've learned to merge them with my singing lessons :D
jimmerframe On September 10, 2006




london, United Kingdom
#7New Post! Sep 10, 2006 @ 17:32:17
hi sheskull i watched the same film about a week ago and had the same thought! did you find out any more info?
kristiansharpe On December 09, 2007




Cornwall, United Kingdom
#8New Post! Dec 08, 2007 @ 12:38:24
Hi all,

Don't quote me on this.... i don't actually think it has anything to do with the fact there may be two sets of vocal chords.

the whistling sound you can hear from each style of throat singing-

? Sygyt, (often called constricted throat singing) Produced by tightening the vocal chords and forming the mouth and tongue to create constricted airflow.

? Koomei, A very similar technique to sygyt, however it sounds less constricted and perhaps closer to the timbre western music commonly implicates.

? Kargyraa, The deepest,


- is in fact called a harmonic overtone and is the by-product of vibration itself, just the same as any of the instrument family, only it's more evident in chordophones and aerophones and less in idiophones and membraneophones.

The Tuvans learn to control the cavity of the mouth which in turn gives them control over the "resonant harmonic" of that particular "Fundamental" or "Tonic" ... or flippin root note for those who're not with me.


the reason I think this to be true, is that although to the untrained ear it sounds like the two pitched are independent of each other, the harmony (Whistle) is ALWAYS relative to the root in harmonic structure terms... there will always be 5th, 8th, 9th, 10th and 12th partial in the harmonic series in tune with the fundamental. the partials are called the "Harmonic scale"

Bow a cello and very lightly run your finger from the bottom to the top of the string whilst doing so...


guaranteed ...providing you're a listener rather than a hearer.... you will notice the harmonic relatives peeping out in a rather beautiful way.... these are the same harmonics....


so nope...

there ain't two independent notes as you're thinking....


it's

* fundemental

* relative harmonic

Variables include.

* modulation of fundamental and relative harmonic

* dynamics.

* pitch change of fundamental (Thus creating new relative harmonics)

* Constricted / non-constricted techniques..


I must warn people about trying these ideas out too quickly....


Warm up or be warned!!!!!!! you do NOT have the capacity to sound like a 47 year old Tuvan who's has these techniques passed down to him from ancestors...and their ancestors etc, the very least you can do to protect your throat from nodules (lumps of painful knotting skin on your vocal chords) is to drink warm honey lemon mix and possible a voclazone tab to create a bit of antiseptic in your throat....


Go careful..... these guys are built differently to us. I promise....


Much love... hope it's been helpful.
xxdeceivingeyesxx On April 19, 2009

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nowhere, California
#9New Post! Dec 08, 2007 @ 12:46:57
I know how to sound like 45 year old man, and I can do a heavy metal scream.
Oh, and I also know how to sound like a barking dog (for real) and an old woman
who smoke cigarettes all day, and I do the bomg Marge Simpson voice.

God knows which vocal chords I switch to when doing differen't voices.
x_Laura_x 3 minutes ago
Majestic Unicorn





East Grinstead, United Kingdom
#10New Post! Dec 08, 2007 @ 12:49:03
I wish I could do a death metal scream, a friend taught me but it doesn't sound too good
xxdeceivingeyesxx On April 19, 2009

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nowhere, California
#11New Post! Dec 08, 2007 @ 12:51:26
@x_laura_x Said
I wish I could do a death metal scream, a friend taught me but it doesn't
sound too good


Lots of practace and cigarette smoking help for that...
But don't smoke.
I regret it.
kristiansharpe On December 09, 2007




Cornwall, United Kingdom
#12New Post! Dec 09, 2007 @ 18:09:47
Hey, just going on from the "Two vocal chords" question.... there are in-fact a second set... here's what info I found..

False vocal folds.

These are a pair of thick folds of mucous membrane that sit just above, and protect, the more delicate true folds. They have minimal role in normal phonation, but are often used in musical screaming and the death grunt singing style.

The false folds are also called vestibular folds and ventricular folds. They can be seen on the diagram above as ventricular folds.

False vocal folds, when surgically removed, can regenerate completely. (How weird!)


...
Pete On March 28, 2012
Master of Unlocking





Central Scotland, United Kingd
#13New Post! Dec 09, 2007 @ 18:12:55
@jonnythan Said
Everyone uses both... the trick is that they use each to generate a different note, so they can produce two different notes simultaneously.


awesome! i wanna learn to do that
x_Laura_x 3 minutes ago
Majestic Unicorn





East Grinstead, United Kingdom
#14New Post! Dec 09, 2007 @ 18:23:33
@pete Said
awesome! i wanna learn to do that


I've done it before, but I was ill at the time, and I think it has something to do with the fact that my voice was going
kristiansharpe On December 09, 2007




Cornwall, United Kingdom
#15New Post! Dec 09, 2007 @ 18:45:43
You can start learning by singing all the vowels through really slowly....and rather than listening to the main note you're singing....try and focus your ear on the change in frequency....(Formant) as you move between Ayeeee, Eeeee, iiiiii, oooooh, yoooooooo, (If that makes sense...
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