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iliterate_enginere
Über-Minister
15847 points
23/M/Wichita, Kansas
Join Date: Sep 2007 | amish said:
please don't act like there hasn't been 8 years of stereotyping and bulls**t from the right okay?
"unamerican," confusing party loyalty with patriotism, freedom fries, and the bulls**t i have to hear from raditz even though i have him ignored. it's not like this is just me, it's my country too. get over yourself, enginere, please.
you're not the only one with an opinion, and i was responding to mermaid's ridiculous rightwing stereotype of black people. don't make the far right out to be the victim, it's too pathetic.
and just for the record the far right is racist. you'd have to go out of your way to ignore it if you can't see that.
if you are a little bit more conscious than they are, i'm not lumping you in with them. but if you're defending their hate and comparing my complaint about it to their hatred, then there's not much anyone can tell you, is there?
I never once have pretended that there haven't been bad people on both sides. I'm just pointing out that just b/c some christians have been hypocrites doesn't give you the right to insult all of them. If you want to disagree with someone, fine, just try to be a bit more mature about it, please. |  | |
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mermaid
Meister
1118 points
42/F/, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2008 | Quote:
you're not the only one with an opinion, and i was responding to mermaid's ridiculous rightwing stereotype of black people
I don't think you understood my posting at all. If you will read my post in between the one you are referencing and this one. Otherwise you would see that I am talking from experience and not being a "right winged racist and stereo typing the black community."
I've been poor, very poor. I know how hard it is to barely survive. So how do you get that I am right winged and against the poor or the black community out of that? | | | |
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lesfox719
Mega Über-Meister
3809 points
24/F/Bowling Green, Kentucky
Join Date: Nov 2007 | mermaid said:
When a child can start head start at 3 years old, it's time to either find a job or get training. No excuse for not having a babysitter either. The government will pay for that expense.
It's pure laziness.
The government will only pay that expense if you have a job where you are guaranteed 20 or more hours a week, and that is hard to find when many people don't have any sort of training or college whatsoever.
Its so easy for a person to call another lazy, but those of you who call others lazy are only speaking from your experience. You cannot say that every single person or even the majority of poor people are just lazy. And I don't think that adults who don't want to work remedial jobs that teenagers usually hold are lazy. I myself, and my work, are worth far more than a s**tty 5.15 an hour.
As far as racism is concerned, some of you saying it doesn't exist: in the south, there is still immense racism. My uncle actually won't hire anyone other than white people, not because of his views, but because all the other people that have worked for him, who are white, would quit if they had to work with anyone of a different race. And I have sadly heard more and more people talking about how they would vote for anything before they voted for a n*****. Racism still very much exists, it isn't the majority opinion (thank god) but its here.
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raditz8526
Monk
36090 points
30/M/,
Join Date: Mar 2006 | lesfox719 said:
The government will only pay that expense if you have a job where you are guaranteed 20 or more hours a week, and that is hard to find when many people don't have any sort of training or college whatsoever.
Its so easy for a person to call another lazy, but those of you who call others lazy are only speaking from your experience. You cannot say that every single person or even the majority of poor people are just lazy. And I don't think that adults who don't want to work remedial jobs that teenagers usually hold are lazy. I myself, and my work, are worth far more than a s**tty 5.15 an hour.
As far as racism is concerned, some of you saying it doesn't exist: in the south, there is still immense racism. My uncle actually won't hire anyone other than white people, not because of his views, but because all the other people that have worked for him, who are white, would quit if they had to work with anyone of a different race. And I have sadly heard more and more people talking about how they would vote for anything before they voted for a n*****. Racism still very much exists, it isn't the majority opinion (thank god) but its here.
Minimum wage isn't $5.15 an hour any more. | | | |
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mermaid
Meister
1118 points
42/F/, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2008 | My 17yo son works for McDonald's and makes $6.90 and hour.
There are jobs out there that pay more than minimum wages. You have to be willing to work and realize that if you don't have an education, you are going to work at those types of jobs. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Until you get some kind of education, you have to expect lower waged jobs.
But lazy is lazy. You don't want to go to school, you refuse to work for a certain amount of money. That's just sorry and lazy. How can you have pride in anything you do if you never do anything but lay on the couch and watch Jerry Springer? j/k about the couch and Springer. But if you are living off welfare, you have an obligation to do something besides collect a check forever. Welfare is not a career choice. The government owns you. They will continue to own you until you do something to fix your lifestyle and not depend on the government.
I was poor, so poor I couldn't afford to buy Christmas for my children. I sold my high school cla** ring to buy them Christmas. Then I decided never would I be that poor again. I got my GED, took an EMT class, went to work part-time on the ambulance service, took an employer paid Paramedic course, got my license and continued on to where I am now making over 16.00 an hr.( this is Missouri folks and that's not a bad salary for Missouri because the cost of living is cheaper) So don't tell me it can't be done. It can but you have to be willing to work at it. I have worked for minimum wage jobs. I wasn't too good to do it. I had to do it or let the government own me.
It's a choice.....a choice you have to be willing to make.
And I do understand that certain parts of our country can cause you to become extremely poor. So, move. I have done that too. Go where the jobs are if there aren't any jobs in your area. | | | |
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raditz8526
Monk
36090 points
30/M/,
Join Date: Mar 2006 | lesfox719 said:
Edited to correct myself:
The federal minimum wage is 5.85, still too low for me. I wouldn't work that.
Still, businesses that gross lower than 625,000 are allowed to pay 5.25 an hour. In no way shape or form are either of those wages a living wage where a person can actually survive. Throw children in the mix, and you are more than screwed.
Maybe people should wait until they are making more than the minimum wage before they start popping out kids? | | | |
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lesfox719
Mega Über-Meister
3809 points
24/F/Bowling Green, Kentucky
Join Date: Nov 2007 | mermaid said:
My 17yo son works for McDonald's and makes $6.90 and hour.
There are jobs out there that pay more than minimum wages. You have to be willing to work and realize that if you don't have an education, you are going to work at those types of jobs. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Until you get some kind of education, you have to expect lower waged jobs.
But lazy is lazy. You don't want to go to school, you refuse to work for a certain amount of money. That's just sorry and lazy. How can you have pride in anything you do if you never do anything but lay on the couch and watch Jerry Springer? j/k about the couch and Springer. But if you are living off welfare, you have an obligation to do something besides collect a check forever. Welfare is not a career choice. The government owns you. They will continue to own you until you do something to fix your lifestyle and not depend on the government.
I was poor, so poor I couldn't afford to buy Christmas for my children. I sold my high school cla** ring to buy them Christmas. Then I decided never would I be that poor again. I got my GED, took an EMT class, went to work part-time on the ambulance service, took an employer paid Paramedic course, got my license and continued on to where I am now making over 16.00 an hr.( this is Missouri folks and that's not a bad salary for Missouri because the cost of living is cheaper) So don't tell me it can't be done. It can but you have to be willing to work at it. I have worked for minimum wage jobs. I wasn't too good to do it. I had to do it or let the government own me.
It's a choice.....a choice you have to be willing to make.
And I do understand that certain parts of our country can cause you to become extremely poor. So, move. I have done that too. Go where the jobs are if there aren't any jobs in your area.
Okay, 6.90 is still barely a survival wage, and definitely not one where you can ever have much. I applaud what you have done, and I'm not saying that it can't be done. And let me be clear here as well, I am not uneducated or unexperienced. I can get a job, good jobs, that pay well. I have 2 years of college and experience in retail that is exceptional. I am not defending myself here, I am defending what I think is right.
And moving isn't always an option for everyone. My point though is that it isn't just plain laziness or anything that simple. It is a combination of factors. For instance, many poor people just think that's what you do. Grow up, have children, get a check. You have no concept of how ignorant (sadly) that some people are, and education beyond high school, if even that far, is beyond them. I know some people out there think that education is the answer for everyone, but let's face it not everyone can pa** calculus.
And as for the popping out kids part, this is where I can personally defend myself. I did not want to be having kids when I was 35. It wasn't a lack of responsibility either, my son is well taken care of. Does he get everything he wants, NO. Does he have everything he needs, ABSOLUTELY! Money and things aren't everything. Life and love are. We make the necessary sacrifices (cheap clothes, no vacations, no cable, pretty much no extras) so that I can stay home and raise happy healthy children, and not have a daycare worker raising my children. People matter more than belongings and property. I guarantee you I have one of the happiest most secure children in the world . And I would do anything to keep ensuring that to happen, even if I had to eat grubs from under a log. Do we live off the government? No. I would, and have, gotten a part time job before that would happen. Some might consider us poor, but we are faaaaaaaaar from lazy. And no woman who stays home with her children is lazy if she is truly taking care of the home and the children to the best of her ability. Its a full time job where overtime is mandatory not an option.
I love how some of you just talk about having babies like its this unfortunate thing that happens like passing gas. Willing to bet you don't have kids of your own.
And for the record, I don't mind one cent of my taxes that goes into food stamps or medical care. I can only hope that it is enough to help children from going hungry or dying from lack of care.
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baux
Über-General
554 points
28/M/Washington, District of Columb
Join Date: Apr 2008 | lesfox719 said:
The government will only pay that expense if you have a job where you are guaranteed 20 or more hours a week, and that is hard to find when many people don't have any sort of training or college whatsoever.
Its so easy for a person to call another lazy, but those of you who call others lazy are only speaking from your experience. You cannot say that every single person or even the majority of poor people are just lazy. And I don't think that adults who don't want to work remedial jobs that teenagers usually hold are lazy. I myself, and my work, are worth far more than a s**tty 5.15 an hour.
As far as racism is concerned, some of you saying it doesn't exist: in the south, there is still immense racism. My uncle actually won't hire anyone other than white people, not because of his views, but because all the other people that have worked for him, who are white, would quit if they had to work with anyone of a different race. And I have sadly heard more and more people talking about how they would vote for anything before they voted for a n*****. Racism still very much exists, it isn't the majority opinion (thank god) but its here.
Look, I not saying they are all lazy but roughly 99.8% of them are. The remaining folks were dealt a bad hand of cards or have some excuse. I'm not trying to sound condesending as this is an important topic and these are real people who are suffering.
But the point is, this is a capitalistic society where we are all governed by our own self interest. If we are incented to be lazy that is in fact what will happen. You yourself just indicated that you are worth more than $5.15 an hour. That may be true but you have accepted that as your wage thus at this point that is not the case.
I know it is a little more complicated than that but if you think you are worth more money go get it. It is up to you. That is our entire point. If it is not in Kentucky, Move. Go Get it, and if you cannot find it elsewhere you need to reposition yourself by furthering your education. It really is that simple.
In regard to your comment about the South. I am from the South, I have lived in every Southern State and have seen every form of racism. Unfortunately the predominate form of racism is reverse racism. It is a sad but true fact. "A Lot" (generalism but true) of african americans are born into the world down there with a chip on their shoulder because the white man is holding them down. It is crap. But it is what it is | | | |
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