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New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 09:55:03#46
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Ellen said:

So geniuses that are shinobinoz, can you tell me why prayer by students, organized by students and voluntary become legal issues in public schools yet a class that teaches about Islam for a couple of weeks is ok? How many school you know of, public, that have a two week course on Christianity?
Let's see it. You like proof so show it.



Christianity is one of the most dominant religions in the western world. So of course they're not going to do lessons on it, as they're assuming everyone already knows about it. Islam, on the other hand, is a religion very few people outside of the Islamic world actually know anything about. There's nothing wrong with learning about other religions and cultures. If anything, we should be pushing for more teachings on other religions and cultures, even if we don't necessarily agree with them or like them.
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New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 10:26:14#47
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It isn't quite as sensational as Wash thinks but at the same time, there is indeed a controversy here. Namely, a question of if this does indeed cross the line. The truth is, you do indeed need to know about the religion of a certain region. For example, it's impossible to fully understand Mideaval Europe or Middle East without knowing Christianity and Islam respectively. However, it seems to me California needs to strictly define what constitutes merely learning about, and proselytizing a religion if this program is to continue.

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New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 12:13:37#48
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hedkandi1984_21 said:

Christianity is one of the most dominant religions in the western world. So of course they're not going to do lessons on it, as they're assuming everyone already knows about it. Islam, on the other hand, is a religion very few people outside of the Islamic world actually know anything about. There's nothing wrong with learning about other religions and cultures. If anything, we should be pushing for more teachings on other religions and cultures, even if we don't necessarily agree with them or like them.

You don't know anything about US law do you?
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New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 12:16:08#49
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hedkandi1984_21 said:

If a judge says it's fine, then it's within the boundaries of the law, actually.

I remember being taught about Islam and Hinduism at school, and I haven't adopted either of those religions. In fact, I'm an atheist. People are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Simple as.

Not true at all. Judges are not allowed to make law in this country even though they try it often.
It does not matter what religion is dominant. In this country you are not allowed to teach religion in a public school, that is the law. So you can't pick one and exclude the others.
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New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 13:47:05#50
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Not true at all. Judges are not allowed to make law in this country even though they try it often.
It does not matter what religion is dominant. In this country you are not allowed to teach religion in a public school, that is the law. So you can't pick one and exclude the others.



Well if the judge's decision is unlawful, has he been prosecuted or something? Judges are allowed to make exceptions all the time if there is precedent for it.

You guys are still overreacting. Find something more important to get passionate about, like global hunger!
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New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 13:53:58#51
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American law technically does not allow teaching religion in public schools, but as a practical matter, teaching a religion can't be avoided. In a community of Baptists, like in Southern States, students learn about Bible thumping and soul winning (hallelujah). In a community of Jews, like in Michigan or Illinois, students make dreidels at Christmas. In a community of Mormons, like in Utah or Arizona, students learn about the lost Hebrew tribes becoming American Indians.



When you think of it, it's kind of funny.

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New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 13:56:20#52
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hedkandi1984_21 said:

Well if the judge's decision is unlawful, has he been prosecuted or something? Judges are allowed to make exceptions all the time if there is precedent for it.

You guys are still overreacting. Find something more important to get passionate about, like global hunger!

Because they are allowed to get away with it does not make it lawful and overreaction? Please. The overreaction comes from systematic persecution of anything Christian in public discourse so to allow another religion is hypocrisy. s***, you have people suing the federal government because the word god is on the currency. You have people suing municipalities if they put up Christmas decorations. You have teachers in some schools told to not wear a cross necklace. You have students told they cannot pray on school grounds if they choose to.
And now these a-holes want to teach Islam in public schools? To hell with that s***. They cannot bar one religion and allow another no matter what some bigoted judge says.
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New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 14:00:56#53
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Because they are allowed to get away with it does not make it lawful and overreaction? Please. The overreaction comes from systematic persecution of anything Christian in public discourse so to allow another religion is hypocrisy. s***, you have people suing the federal government because the word god is on the currency. You have people suing municipalities if they put up Christmas decorations. You have teachers in some schools told to not wear a cross necklace. You have students told they cannot pray on school grounds if they choose to.
And now these a-holes want to teach Islam in public schools? To hell with that s***. They cannot bar one religion and allow another no matter what some bigoted judge says.



Sorry, maybe I don't give a s*** because I'm an atheist and think all religions are stupid anyway.
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New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 14:03:03#54
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Sorry, maybe I don't give a s*** because I'm an atheist and think all religions are stupid anyway.

I don't believe in religion either but I'm an American. That means I believe in freedom of religious expression and in this country one is suppressed while others are allowed or tiptoed around. That pisses me off.
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New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 14:05:08#55
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I am sick and tired of liberals and atheists. Our country was founded and built of Christian concepts and now we are turning our backs on the good and accepting the ways of evil.
God Bless this country and God bless those who still have sense to know that our schools should not be teaching our children religions, period. This is for families to teach.

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New Post! Nov 04, 2009 @ 14:09:13#56
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didn't wash already start another thread claiming that california was forcing islam, and only islam, on its students? i swear i remember having this argument before...

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New Post! Nov 05, 2009 @ 05:08:17#57
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rocket48 said:

I am sick and tired of liberals and atheists. Our country was founded and built of Christian concepts and now we are turning our backs on the good and accepting the ways of evil.
God Bless this country and God bless those who still have sense to know that our schools should not be teaching our children religions, period. This is for families to teach.

Yes Allah bless us all!
Most of the founding fathers were Deists NOT christian. An how dare you compare christianity to good and infere that others are evil.
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New Post! Nov 05, 2009 @ 05:18:06#58
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Ellen said:

Not true at all. Judges are not allowed to make law in this country even though they try it often.
It does not matter what religion is dominant. In this country you are not allowed to teach religion in a public school, that is the law. So you can't pick one and exclude the others.


Where did you see "making law"?
Not teach THE religion in school, but they certainly should teach ABOUT religions as far as their importance to geography.
And they should be taught equally.
I've not yet seen where that has NOT been the case.
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New Post! Nov 05, 2009 @ 05:20:24#59
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Ellen said:

Because they are allowed to get away with it does not make it lawful and overreaction? Please. The overreaction comes from systematic persecution of anything Christian in public discourse so to allow another religion is hypocrisy. s***, you have people suing the federal government because the word god is on the currency. You have people suing municipalities if they put up Christmas decorations. You have teachers in some schools told to not wear a cross necklace. You have students told they cannot pray on school grounds if they choose to.
And now these a-holes want to teach Islam in public schools? To hell with that s***. They cannot bar one religion and allow another no matter what some bigoted judge says.

None of that is happening, or if it is- it is isolated cases.
This is a big to do over nothing.
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New Post! Nov 05, 2009 @ 05:21:34#60
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Ellen said:

I don't believe in religion either but I'm an American. That means I believe in freedom of religious expression and in this country one is suppressed while others are allowed or tiptoed around. That pisses me off.


Not my experience. It's the other way around here!
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