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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 16:39:23#256
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jmo said:
The thing is the Bible also says that anyone who works on the sabbath should be killed.

How come noone gives a s**te about that view anymore, but the idea that two people of the same sex can't get married is still seen as such an important part of Christianity?


Christ created a new covenant and that wasn't part of it.
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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 16:40:55#257
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I asked a minister the same question, he agrees with me, said thats why he is supportive of Gay Marriage, believes that the Bible is guidelines, not rules.


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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 16:43:14#258
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there is alot that has been changed or should i say become laxed about, but that doesn't mean I should not believe what I believe. I do not force my beliefs on anyone. I try to live my religion not for anyone else but for me. And yes I still believe in the bible saying no man shall lay with another man.

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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 16:45:06#259
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I probably said this like pages back, but marriage is not entirely a religious thing.

In ancient times marriage could be an agreement between two families. It could be than a man won a woman or child or boy in a fight and that deemed them married. Or it could be an exchange of gifts between two families and that constituted a marriage.

So I appreciate that religion has now taken over marriage in the world we live in and deemed it thier own invention but taking history into account its a little wrong to deny people the right to marriage when it has been around longer than any religion running today.

Of course its a different story if you want to marry in a church with a religious ceremony and your partner happens to be the same sex. So far most churches havent moved with the times, although i strongly suspect in 100 years this will all be ridiculous anyways. There are some churches that will marry gay couples.

But every living un-married person has the basic human right to want a wedding ceremony of some kind even if religion wishes to turn thier backs on this kind of love right now.


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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 16:47:55#260
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treebee said:
I probably said this like pages back, but marriage is not entirely a religious thing.

In ancient times marriage could be an agreement between two families. It could be than a man won a woman or child or boy in a fight and that deemed them married. Or it could be an exchange of gifts between two families and that constituted a marriage.

So I appreciate that religion has now taken over marriage in the world we live in and deemed it thier own invention but taking history into account its a little wrong to deny people the right to marriage when it has been around longer than any religion running today.

Of course its a different story if you want to marry in a church with a religious ceremony and your partner happens to be the same sex. So far most churches havent moved with the times, although i strongly suspect in 100 years this will all be ridiculous anyways. There are some churches that will marry gay couples.

But every living un-married person has the basic human right to want a wedding ceremony of some kind even if religion wishes to turn thier backs on this kind of love right now.


Marriage, particularly in Christianity, has historically been the literal handing of ownership of one man's daughter to her groom.
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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 16:57:53#261
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My brother-in-law's 18 yr old daughter (not my sisters child), is a lesbien. Although I do not believe in it, I also do not condemn her for it either. I am not here to judge but be judged.

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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 16:58:38#262
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jistolme said:
My brother-in-law's 18 yr old daughter (not my sisters child), is a lesbien. Although I do not believe in it, I also do not condemn her for it either. I am not here to judge but be judged.


live and let live, its a lovely philosophy you have.


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thank you

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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 17:00:14#264
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jistolme said:
My brother-in-law's 18 yr old daughter (not my sisters child), is a lesbien. Although I do not believe in it, I also do not condemn her for it either. I am not here to judge but be judged.


Good for you! Far too many people would be ready to condemn her and try and convince her she wasn't a lesbian and/or she was evil



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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 17:03:16#265
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jistolme said:
My brother-in-law's 18 yr old daughter (not my sisters child), is a lesbien. Although I do not believe in it, I also do not condemn her for it either. I am not here to judge but be judged.


But you just said you judge her sexuality to be something you "do not believe in". Either that means you believe lesbians do not exist, or you believe that they should not. Which is it?
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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 17:04:49#266
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A more pertintent title for this thread might be "Should same-sex marriage even be topic for dispute?"

It seems too much to ask that someone can be sexually deviant in a completely non-harmful way.

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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 17:06:00#267
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Anything should be a topic for dispute.

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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 17:07:38#268
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raditz8526 said:
Anything should be a topic for dispute.


What I'm getting at is the fact that something otherwise completely uncontroversial is brought into the realm of controversy simply because of a disagreement with ancient dogma.
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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 17:10:56#269
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She is a lovely girl and has been in our family since she was 2 yrs old, so I have grown with this child. I wish she liked men but that just isn't her thing. That definitely doesn't make her a bad person. She gets mad when I tell her to behave with her girlfriend in front of my younger girl, but I also tell my 18 yr old daughter the same about her boyfriend.

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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 17:15:16#270
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jistolme said:
She is a lovely girl and has been in our family since she was 2 yrs old, so I have grown with this child. I wish she liked men but that just isn't her thing. That definitely doesn't make her a bad person. She gets mad when I tell her to behave with her girlfriend in front of my younger girl, but I also tell my 18 yr old daughter the same about her boyfriend.


If it doesn't make her a bad person, why do you object to it? What exactly is the basis for your 'disagreement' with homosexuality?
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