It didn't exist until after 9/11.
That you missed that small detail tells me everything I need to know about the rest of your post.

That's proof that anyone can say anything and post it on the internet.

OK Jellybeans, then how do you rig a building to explode like the twin towers did without any of the workers, tourists, or visitors noticing it? How do you convince an entire city of people they saw a plane that never existed? MIB isn't real, there's no such thing as a neuralizer (unless that's what they WANT us to think). What is a department that hasn't been created yet supposed to do to prevent it? How do you keep all the people involved from leaking the information? Watergate was leaked, and that involved a group of people whose sole purpose was stopping leaks and wasn't NEARLY as intricate as this operation would have to be.

Hi crazylikeafox,

... it has been leaked.
Norman Mineta confessed in the 9/11 Commission Report that Vice President Cheney over-rid any orders to stop the attack on the Pentagon. They referred to a plane being the object to hit the Pentagon (even though there was not one piece of shrapnel found at the site only an hour or so after the attack)... Mineta's confession was taken out of the testimony and he left his job. He was made to look like a fool and his comments were changed.




As for buildings being rigged with explosives ... you would need the authorization and complete Co-operation of the security company working for those buildings at the time.

What a coincidence that the company with the contract to supply security to the towers was "Securacom" and it was Marvin P. Bush - President Bush's younger brother that was the Principal for that company.
Another coincidence was that his contract with the Towers ended exactly on the day the 9/11 attacks were undertaken. He has refused to answer any questions on the matter.

Also you stated that people in the buildings, workers, tourists etc, would have noticed the building's being rigged... That may be true... but if you have the support of the Tower/s security company... that would leave you with many night hours and even restricted areas to access when nobody is around and no witnesses. And to do two building's like that may have taken up to a year... so there could have been a lot of "Maintenance" done during that period of time... if you know what I'm saying.

You now have Architects and Demolitionists coming out and asking for the case to be re-opened... they firmly believe that the buildings were brought down with precision demolition techniques.




How do you convince an entire city to believe there were planes... well... if you were watching the news that morning like a lot of people were ... then you would most likely have been watching NBC, FOX or CNN and so on...
You should take note that the people being interviewed over the phone "live" that claim to have seen a "plane", have direct ties to the networks:

Sean Murtagh - CNN Vice President of Finance
Owen Moogan - FOX News Producer
Mark Obenhaus - Senior ABC Producer
Dr. J. Atlasberg - News Reporter
Mark D. Birnbach - FOX TV employee
Eric Shawn - FOX TV senior Correspondent
Jeanne Yurman - CNN reporter
Winston Mitchell - TV Producer
Jane Derenowski - MSNBC Producer
Elliot Walker - NBC Producer

The list goes on...

As for the people on the street... they have been documented as saying that they "Heard" a sound "Like" a plane or a "Loud BOOM" ... but not that they actually saw a plane. Those that state they saw the plane are tied to the companies listed above.

So... if you were told over and over again that it was a plane and shown it on TV... despite not having seen the plane yourself... then of course you would believe it. I did! But when you start trying to put all this information together... you notice that it doesn't fit together... there are too many holes... and too many affiliates.




Intricate... that i believe. It has taken a lot of cooperation. And all for different reasons... but one in the same. War and Gain. Everyone who has participated would believe that the Middle East needed to be invaded for some type of resource or Economical gain.

I can understand that this is all a lot to take in and believe. It's horrific. Professionals have been working for the past 8 years to understand what happened that day.
And I don't believe that the people that argue this is just a crazy "Conspiracy" are idiots... it took a lot of energy to make everyone believe that what happened WAS all TRUE as told on the news... so do your own research. Listen to your gut instinct. See the repetition of War and Mind Control that are in our history books. And decide for yourself.

If no-one can believe what I have written, I can't change that. But I can try and give people the information that so many refuse to let out and other refuse to find out.

xx J

You have so obviously never been to NYC, and never seen the world trade towers, or lower manhattan. I was living there on 9/11, had lived there since 1986, and left in 2004. The trade towers were never empty, they were NEVER unoccupied not even for one minute a day. There was a train station, 3 subway lines, and over 100 shops and restaurants in the complex, not to mention windows on the world and the observation deck.
There were nearly 25,000 people that worked in those buildings, not including the building staff itself, and even at the slowest times, in the middle of the night there were hundreds of people in those towers..

So your theory is bunk.



Again. I lived there. I saw the second plane hit. They were planes, there were jet engines pulled out of the storefronts of the buildings across the street, and I saw the second plane hit the south tower. There was no explosion when the towers dropped, there was the rumble of hundreds of thousands of tons of building failing, but no explosion before they collapsed.
Again. Your theory is bunk.

A friend of mine spent a panic-stricken few days over 9/11 because of her mother working so close by (and she couldn't get hold of her). She was ok but it was a close run thing. No fakery.

Hi boxerdc,

Sorry to disappoint you but I have been there... In NYC and In the World Trade Towers only one month prior to the attacks occurring. I know it's hard for you to understand how a WHOLE building or two or three (Because WT7 went down too even though NO PLANE hit that one... Steel Buildings don't symmetrically fall down by themselves in record time) ... could be rigged without people seeing workers, but here:

Ben Fountain - People Magazine:

"... How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we had been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on ..."


Scott Forbes - Fiduciary Trust testified to "Evacuations". He also states that the weekend before the attacks (9th & 10th September) the Upper Half of the South Tower was Powered Down for close to 36 hrs. Scott Forbes had worked in the Building for 13 years and had never experienced a "Power Down" before.


So... I'm not talking about people on the street, or people in the 100 restaurants who wouldn't care if "Engineers" are walking in and out of the Buildings... the employees themselves had seen the strange going's on that were occurring right before the Towers were "Hit".

It's obviously not impossible to evacuate a building that large then, to do "maintenance" which did inevitably leave the building/s "unoccupied" as you stated. This would have also left "Engineers" with many night hours and no supervision to charge the building/s at free will.




Please watch Richard Gage (member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth) on Youtube.

Were you looking out of your window when you saw the plane? or were you watching your TV? If you were watching the Towers and saw first hand, the planes entering the buildings then I can't dispute that you "saw" a plane. That means that you could even convince me that there was a plane! But if you were watching the TV... then anyone can say that they saw a plane!

The engine that they found in Murray street was half the size of the engine that was supposed to come from a 767 plane. You could assume that parts of it broke off and fell elsewhere... but where?

Why was the engine rusted if it had just came from a plane that would have been inspected as flight worthy?

Wouldn't it have just been chard beyond recognition if it had hit a building that exploded on impact?

Where are the other pieces of that plane? In an NBC live morning shot... the footage shows the nose of flight 175 exiting the building... where did the nose land? did anybody find that enormous piece of evidence? or did that magically com-bust in mid air and land as dust just like the Towers did?


Someone also asked about all those people that called from the planes whilst in mid air:

Flight 11 -
Betty Ong
Madeline Sweeney

Flight 175 -
Brian Sweeney
unnamed flight attendant

That's only 4 people on two major flights.

Flight 175 climbed 3000 feet in 1 minute... which means that the G-Forces applied to that airplane would have caused the pilot and the passengers to pass out sometime before impact. Maybe the "Hijacker" put the plane on "Auto-Pilot"... but then that doesn't explain how the passengers were still able to be conscious and make phone calls right before impact.

Brian Sweeney was documented as calling his wife and mother at 8.58am then at 9.00am he calls his parents a second time... at 9.03am ... the plane crashes into the building.
Why didn't he pass out before impact?

I'm giving you all possible explanations for the scenario that there were actually planes... but seeings as how the plane codes were changed in mid-air (according to Dave Bottiglia of NA Traffic Controller/ NY Center) and flight 175 was lost after the steep incline of 3000 Feet... couldn't you at least consider the idea that that plane was either set down somewhere else and a missile took over it's code and path whilst those people were murdered somewhere else ... And if there was NO plane... then those "Passengers" could have been held in the building and forced to make those calls and then have their bodies recovered later.

I know that all sounds awful and I'm in no way trying to belittle what has happened... esp to the victims.

But truth be told... the lies that surround 9/11 are too big to ignore.




You're welcome

xx J

I have a little trouble with the above... an F18 Hornet climbs at a rate of 45,000 feet per minute, and although the pilot is in a very sophisticated seat, they do not black out... A Beech King Air 350, which is a turbo prop has an initial climb rate of 3000 ft/min... hardly enough to cause anyone to black out.

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