The Forum Site - Join the conversation
Forums: Politics:
UK Elections & Politics

People Who Are Not Organ Donors should be Refused Transplants

Reply to Topic
AuthorMessage
jmo
Beruset af Julebryg





North, United Kingdom
#1New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 08:00:39
A friend of mine believes that if people (of adult age) are not organ donors then they should not be allowed to receive transplants if they so require them.

I'm not too sure if I agree, it seems a little extreme, but on the other hand perhaps it is the best way of increasing organ donors in this country.

What do you think?
On about 16 hours ago
Kristy69
Carly's Mommy





Underneath the Cyanide Sun....
#2New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 10:53:58
Hmm, that's interesting. Well naturally, if they have a disease that prohibits them from donating, they shouldn't qualify. I've heard some people don't like the idea of being cut up after death and want to "leave how they came in" but should they be excluded from being a recipient? I'm really not sure.
Good question, though.
On September 14, 2014
sister_of_mercy




London, United Kingdom
#3New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 11:06:13
I'd feel uncomfortable about being forced into that position- do/should the government really have that kind of control over our own bodies?

It seems a bit extreme and I think there are perhaps better ways of getting people to become donors than forcing them to.

Also, I thought doctors weren't allowed to discriminate when it comes to those who need transplants? I'd have thought that would be some kind of breach of ethics.
On August 28, 2014
hoppy




,
#4New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 11:58:36
I wonder what their position would be about sharing some food with a starving person? Or an injured person lying in the street? Would they even call for help? I was taught to give any help I could where it's needed.
On August 27, 2013
bob_the_fisherman
Anatidaephobic





, Australia
#5New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 12:24:38
Perhaps a better way of doing it would be to say that those that are organ donors, if they need an organ, will be given preference over non-organ donors. That seems reasonable.
On about 16 hours ago
sister_of_mercy




London, United Kingdom
#6New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 12:41:24
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Perhaps a better way of doing it would be to say that those that are organ donors, if they need an organ, will be given preference over non-organ donors. That seems reasonable.



Yeah that would definitely be a better way of phrasing it.
On August 28, 2014
Chrill
Gesundheit





Örebro, Sweden
#7New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 12:43:02
There are both rights and wrongs in what your friend is saying.

The right is; we need to find a way to encourage organ donation. Most people seem to think it's ok to give their organs away, yet not many have actually signed up as organ donors. I'm not an organ donor, but I want to be.

The wrong is; just because you haven't signed up does not mean you should die if you ever need an organ replacement.

So, what way would we want to go, then? I mean, we need to find an incentive to make people donate their organs. However, can we make it compulsory for all the "healthy" people? Some people would refuse it on religious grounds, others on moral grounds. It's a difficult one..
On August 18, 2014
sister_of_mercy




London, United Kingdom
#8New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 12:47:40
There's also the question of children who aren't old enough to give consent and those who have mental disorders that can't fully give consent- are they to be included in this?
On August 28, 2014
ThePainefulTruth
Verum est Deus


Deleted



Peoria, Arizona
#9New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 14:23:35
@jmo Said

A friend of mine believes that if people (of adult age) are not organ donors then they should not be allowed to receive transplants if they so require them.

I'm not too sure if I agree, it seems a little extreme, but on the other hand perhaps it is the best way of increasing organ donors in this country.

What do you think?



@sister_of_mercy Said

I'd feel uncomfortable about being forced into that position- do/should the government really have that kind of control over our own bodies?

It seems a bit extreme and I think there are perhaps better ways of getting people to become donors than forcing them to.

Also, I thought doctors weren't allowed to discriminate when it comes to those who need transplants? I'd have thought that would be some kind of breach of ethics.



@bob_the_fisherman Said

Perhaps a better way of doing it would be to say that those that are organ donors, if they need an organ, will be given preference over non-organ donors. That seems reasonable.


It wouldn't be government control, you would still have the right not to be a donor. And I agree with bob, not being a donor would just put you on a lower priority.

As for those objections due to age or whatever, adults can be donors even if they might not be usable, same as for a donor who later became ill. Children are more problematic, so they should be exempt from the requirement; but that shouldn't stop the parents from deciding to allow organs to be harvested from their child after death.

I think it's a great idea. It would the hypocrisy.
On May 06, 2013
sTreetAngeL
root tedt ree





in a paradox,
#10New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 15:38:25
I think it's a great idea. You're f***ing dead anyway; the organs will only rot away; why not give the gift of life to another who needs it if you can instead?!
And yeah, seems a fair enough trade off..Why should they feel offended if the law prevented them thereafter from receiving an organ needed, if they refused to be a donar themselves? How selfish and hypocritical is that of them to expect it?
On July 27, 2014
Lili
....................





Sunshine Land,
#11New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 15:49:54
It doesn't address why people choose not to be a donor in the first place.

For many, it doesn't come from some self-centered lack of desire to share or help people. It comes from fear.

If youre flatlining, but your organs are still viable, how hard is that doctor going to try to save your life? Most doctors will try, but there are always those few.

In addition, there is a lot of fuzzy ground about the science of when to call death. Often it's when a patient is considered brain dead that they assume it's safe to call death. But people have been declared dead, and then later woken up in the morgue. It has happened that a person was brought back to life 45 minutes after their heart stopped beating. What if that person had been an organ donor? There are also documented cases of a person waking up in the middle of an attempted organ harvesting. Those are just a few examples.

Those are certainly rare cases, but there's enough fuzzy ground to instill significant fear and doubt in some people's minds.
On September 17, 2014
ninozara




Cheshire, United Kingdom
#12New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 16:25:24
There was discussion a while back about making everyone an Organ Donor unless they opted out, rather than opting in like we have now.

I can see where the friend is coming from in a way, but I don't think people sign up to get something out of it, they do it because they think it's the right thing to do.

And I don't think people feel like they should get preference for a donor because they would donate theirs after death.
On September 21, 2014
shinobinoz




Wichita, Kansas
#13New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 16:49:10
@jmo Said

A friend of mine believes that if people (of adult age) are not organ donors then they should not be allowed to receive transplants if they so require them.

I'm not too sure if I agree, it seems a little extreme, but on the other hand perhaps it is the best way of increasing organ donors in this country.

What do you think?


I think that's often the reason they can't donate- they are needing them because of some problem. Tough decision. Some religions also state you can't get to "heaven" without all of your body parts being buried with you as well.
On about 14 hours ago
xLETHAL_VIXENx
Logical Alien





Your pants, United States (gen
#14New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 17:12:17
This isn't a fair world, I'm all for people not donating their organs and still getting transplants, who f***ing cares?
On July 11, 2014
jmo
Beruset af Julebryg





North, United Kingdom
#15New Post! Apr 08, 2012 @ 18:05:49
@sister_of_mercy Said

Also, I thought doctors weren't allowed to discriminate when it comes to those who need transplants? I'd have thought that would be some kind of breach of ethics.



For me that's the biggest problem and reason I disagree with that idea. I don't like the idea of discrimination coming into force when it comes to transplants. The idea of someone being able to have their life saved but not being able to simply because they check the register and notice they aren't on the donors list seems wrong to me.

As much as I personally feel not being an organ donor is morally wrong, I don't believe we have the right to decide which people are eligible and which are not based on a moral issue.

I personally want to see the 'opt-in' scheme adopted, I'm actually somewhat surprised we don't have that in the UK yet. Gives people the option to not be a donor if they chose not to be, but the default position being that they are a donor.
On about 16 hours ago
Reply to Topic<< Previous Topic | Next Topic >>

1 browsing (0 members - 1 guest)

Quick Reply








Politics Forum - Some Rudeness Allowed

      
Subscribe to topic prefs

Similar Topics
    Forum Topic Last Post Replies Views
New posts   Religion & Philosophy
Thu Apr 05, 2012 @ 01:48
56 2073
New posts   Medicine
Wed Jun 30, 2010 @ 02:50
3 4602
New posts   Random
Fri Apr 24, 2009 @ 16:55
43 1101
New posts   Politics
Thu Jan 17, 2008 @ 15:50
75 1511
New posts   Society & Lifestyles
Wed Apr 26, 2006 @ 20:47
42 1268