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New Post! Sep 07, 2006 @ 23:33:38#61
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knerba said:
Come on, they kill the inmates anyways. And yes, I know it is unpopular- but do you realize what you have to do to get on death row in the first place? And they could have a say in it. IT's certainly not any worse than doing it to an animal who has never hurt anyone.


It's already been said that there are not enough death row inmates to adequately test even one drug. Oh, and there's a reason they are on death row and not dead already - all of the legal rigmoral needs to be completed, and the appeal time frames (and you better believe that death row inmates appeal) need to expire before they can be executed. Thus testing could only be done as each person becomes eligible. It's just not a realistic option.

And trust me, if scientists could find an alternative to animal testing - they would do. You think they want to pay qualified animal handlers? You think they want to put up with the ever present risk of PETA trashing their lab? You think they want to be paying the increased insurance? You think they want to be paying the food bill? You think they wouldn't much rather be swabbing a petri dish and monitoring the results?

By the way, have you EVER used a pharmaceutical product? Taken anti-biotics? Had some form of anaesthetic? Ever used a skin cream? Hair spray? Deoderant? Worn contact lenses?


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New Post! Sep 07, 2006 @ 23:34:32#62
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knerba said:
Come on, they kill the inmates anyways. And yes, I know it is unpopular- but do you realize what you have to do to get on death row in the first place? And they could have a say in it. IT's certainly not any worse than doing it to an animal who has never hurt anyone.

It's not pretty much all drugs. It is all of them I'm sure. It used to be the best way, but with technology being what it is, people should be able to find better ways to figure out if a drug is going to cure cancer or kill people.

And frankly, I really, really don't care if other people are vegeatrians or meat eaters or if they work in a lab that tests on animals. Everyone has their own moral compa** and I do what mine says and let others do what theirs say. But, if I feel someone has specious reasoning, I have to point it out.


Yeah, it's unpopular. Yeah, we know what it takes to be put on deathrow.

Do you know how many people it would take to do one study? There aren't enough. Even if it was an idea you could use, which it isn't.
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New Post! Sep 08, 2006 @ 04:20:12#63
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Well it's not like I figured that was going to happen. Now, I know of course that people are a step up from animals. So, I am not going to boycott something I or someone in my family needs just because an animal was exploited or even killed to make it. I just don't agree with using animals like they are things with no feelings or rights.

So, I'm not going to use products that have been tested on animals when there are alternatives available that have not been and I'm not going to eat them when I've got other options.

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New Post! Sep 08, 2006 @ 04:33:30#64
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stumblinthrulife said:
It's already been said that there are not enough death row inmates to adequately test even one drug. Oh, and there's a reason they are on death row and not dead already - all of the legal rigmoral needs to be completed, and the appeal time frames (and you better believe that death row inmates appeal) need to expire before they can be executed. Thus testing could only be done as each person becomes eligible. It's just not a realistic option.

And trust me, if scientists could find an alternative to animal testing - they would do. You think they want to pay qualified animal handlers? You think they want to put up with the ever present risk of PETA trashing their lab? You think they want to be paying the increased insurance? You think they want to be paying the food bill? You think they wouldn't much rather be swabbing a petri dish and monitoring the results?

By the way, have you EVER used a pharmaceutical product? Taken anti-biotics? Had some form of anaesthetic? Ever used a skin cream? Hair spray? Deoderant? Worn contact lenses?


you should add on the bottom to that.. "do you wear makeup" because ALL makeup is pretty much from any animal.




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New Post! Sep 08, 2006 @ 04:56:46#65
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knerba said:
Well it's not like I figured that was going to happen. Now, I know of course that people are a step up from animals. So, I am not going to boycott something I or someone in my family needs just because an animal was exploited or even killed to make it. I just don't agree with using animals like they are things with no feelings or rights.

So, I'm not going to use products that have been tested on animals when there are alternatives available that have not been and I'm not going to eat them when I've got other options.


So basically, you are a hypocrit. Even the products that aren't tested on animals stem from original products that WERE tested on animals. Many products are even made from components that were tested on animals, and it's only the whole that was not tested on animals.

I put this final challenge to you - if you truly care so much about stopping animal testing, stop putting your energy into protesting and start putting it toward finding a new way to test. That's the way to change things. Stop shouting that someone else should try to make a difference, and try yourself.


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New Post! Sep 25, 2006 @ 11:04:26#66
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ANIMAL TESTING =

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New Post! Sep 25, 2006 @ 11:05:29#67
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and i dont wear product that was tested on animals. and YES! they actually make some that havent hurt a poor little monkey.

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New Post! Sep 25, 2006 @ 13:02:36#68
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Animal rights > To lighten things up... No I am not ripping off yer thread. I sincerely believe in the rights of animals an fully support all the positive quotes above.

In the blue corner.... We have Skippy the Bush Kangaroo.

He led with his *Right* and took his opponent 'Rancid the Orrible' totally off-guard.

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New Post! Oct 25, 2006 @ 03:13:12#69
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oh my, this is a topic that provokes some of us to anger.
I don't think many people would object to protecting animals, it happens to be the way Peta approaches the situation. Animals were put on this earth for the benefit of mankind. Whether you eat meat or not is a personal choice. If its any consolation for those that oppose the consumption of meat, as people age, they can eat less and due to health issues are required to eat more vegetables.

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New Post! Oct 26, 2006 @ 00:11:37#70
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steven said:
Animal rights > To lighten things up... No I am not ripping off yer thread. I sincerely believe in the rights of animals an fully support all the positive quotes above.

In the blue corner.... We have Skippy the Bush Kangaroo.

He led with his *Right* and took his opponent 'Rancid the Orrible' totally off-guard.



your not funny

animal rights are extreamly put down
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New Post! Oct 26, 2006 @ 00:19:12#71
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justinswife said:
I don't understand why so many people are against PETA.
I am a vegitarian myself and an animal rights actavist.
Could someone explain to me why so many people say it's wrong?

I have heard a very few stories about how they payed people to shoot a kangaroo, and then blamed it on farmers.

But if they where making so much of this up, how do you explain how chickens are treated? Did PETA spend millions of dollars going state to state building chicken houses and filling each one with thousands of chickens? Then stuffing all those thousands of chickens into batted cages, 8 to a small cage, forcing them to all get bruised up? Then PETA would go and hire workers and make them torture these animals?

Of course not! They would need million and millions of dollars for each state! And we all know that PETA is no Bill Gates.

So please tell me your veiw, I would love to learn somethings I haven't heard.


My arguement with PETA is they don't go about things the right way. I remember a few years ago they broke into a laboratory and let loose 100's of mink. They then went on to kill several hundred rabbits in the wild which in turn had a detrimental affect on foxes, birds of prey etc. I am all for animal rights (I volunteer for an animal rescue and once had to steal a dog from under the noses of the biggest gang in Birmingham) but I dont agree with acting on impulse and only making things worse.


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New Post! Oct 26, 2006 @ 00:28:45#72
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I think Ted Nugget said it best,First we kill it,Then grill it!Only take(kill) what you can eat. P.e.t.a. is'nt that bad for animal rights groups go.Those cry baby tree huggers.


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New Post! Dec 17, 2006 @ 01:09:08#73
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I have just read every post put on here so far and I must say its an interesting debate, but sadly the truth is the people supporting organizations like PETA just don't know what they doing. There are some things we must make sure they know....
First of all PETA in my opinion is a borderline terrorist organization and even if you don't believe they are, they are openly connected with ALF (Animal Liberation Front) and ELF (Earth Liberation Front) both delcared as terrorist organizations by the FBI. In fact Ingrid Newkirk (one of the co-founders) has even stated that she supports there radical behaviors.

And we all know that newkirk just loves animals!!! Now, I say this with sarcasm folks, you know why? Because Newkirk is diabetic, and what gets tested on for her insulin....thats right you guessed it! ANIMALS! Now I am sure you can imagine what Newkirks response was when question about this hypocrisy........
"I'm an insulin-dependent diabetic. Twice a day I take synthetically manufactured insulin that still contains some animal products -- and I have no qualms about it ... I'm not going to take the chance of killing myself by not taking insulin. I don't see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals."

Another interesting fact is that PETA euthanizes many of the animals that they take in.....in fact there is a case in 2005 where police discovered at least 80 animals had been left in dumpsters over the course of a month by two PETA employees.
You see animal rights are fine and all but through evolution we've become the dominent species and thus we deserve our spot on the food chain, eating and using animals when we NEED them.

P.S. It appears it has been a while since anyone last posted so I feel like a loser dragging it up again


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New Post! Jul 10, 2007 @ 03:50:26#74
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justinswife said:
I don't understand why so many people are against PETA.
I am a vegitarian myself and an animal rights actavist.
Could someone explain to me why so many people say it's wrong?

I have heard a very few stories about how they payed people to shoot a kangaroo, and then blamed it on farmers.

But if they where making so much of this up, how do you explain how chickens are treated? Did PETA spend millions of dollars going state to state building chicken houses and filling each one with thousands of chickens? Then stuffing all those thousands of chickens into batted cages, 8 to a small cage, forcing them to all get bruised up? Then PETA would go and hire workers and make them torture these animals?

Of course not! They would need million and millions of dollars for each state! And we all know that PETA is no Bill Gates.

So please tell me your veiw, I would love to learn somethings I haven't heard.


A few years back, PETA spent a large sum of money on a giant refridgerator. There are some people who think that the only logical explanation is that they bought it to store it's victims. Now, PETA helps animals all over the world. They help animals get food, water, and medicine. Do these people ever stop to think that some of that might need to be chilled?


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New Post! Jul 12, 2007 @ 18:42:42#75
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Not everything is as it seems...I love animals and support mt local shelters, but I don't support anything PETA puts out there generally. And I believe this is the article that was mentioned a few posts above...doesn't seem too ethical to me...

PETA Kills Animals -- And It's A Felony

Wednesday, June 22, 2005
Authorities in Ahoskie, North Carolina dropped a disturbing bombshell yesterday with the news that they had charged two employees of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) with 31 felony counts of animal cruelty. PETA's Andrew Cook and Adria Hinkle were arrested late Wednesday night after police saw them dump bags containing seven dead puppies and 11 other dead animals in a grocery store's dumpster. Their PETA-owned van, seized by police, contained another 13 animal bodies. Ahoskie's police chief told reporters: "We've been investigating animal cruelty and illegal disposal of dead animals within our city for the last four weeks" -- roughly the same period of time in which our popular PetaKillsAnimals.com website and giant Times Square billboard have been making news.
The animal-control officer responsible for the county where Cook and Hinkle were arrested told the Associated Press that PETA had picked up the animals just a few hours earlier. He added that PETA's employees "told him they were picking up the dogs to take them back to Norfolk where they would find them good homes."
Instead, the animals wound up being treated in a decidedly unethical fashion. This morning the Roanoke-Chowan News-Herald began distributing a grisly photograph showing a police detective in hazmat garb removing a puppy carca** from a garbage bag found in the now-infamous dumpster.
Last night WAVY-TV's coverage in Norfolk included heartbreaking details from the manager of the supermarket whose dumpster became an impromptu pet cemetery. "They just slung the doors [open] and started throwing dogs ... beautiful cats. I saw a [dead] beagle last week that was pregnant ... last week it was 23 or 24 dogs ... it's happened to us nine times ... they drove straight from there, straight here, and disposed of the dogs in 30 seconds."
Authorities told WNCT-TV in Greenville, NC that they've discovered more than 70 dead animals in the last month that may be connected to PETA. WKTR-TV reported today that Cook and Hinkle are out on bond, "thanks to the President of the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals."
In a story that eerily resembles the current charges facing PETA's employees, the Associated Press reported on April 8 that an additional 150 euthanized dogs were found in rural Virginia, apparently dumped in trash bags near a riverbank. The Scott County, Virginia Sheriff is investigating.


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