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Forum Index > News & Politics > Animal Rights | >> Number of Animals Killed to Produce One Million Calories in Eight Food Categories | | |
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jonnythan
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Join Date: Aug 2005 | rogy said:
The results of this estimation show that a diet that includes animal products will result in more animal deaths than a plant-based diet with the same number of calories.
I'm sorry, I've got to laugh at the news flash that eating meat causes more animal deaths than being vegetarian.
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Demented
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Join Date: Sep 2009 | rogy said:
The results of this estimation show that a diet that includes animal products will result in more animal deaths than a plant-based diet with the same number of calories. The production of chicken meat results in vastly more animal deaths than any other category of food. Based on this estimation, someone wanting to modify their eating habits in order to reduce animal suffering and death should start by removing chicken from their diet, then eggs. Although beef may cause more animal deaths than pork, pork probably causes more suffering, because most of the beef-related deaths are wild animals, and in comparison, a greater number of the pork-related deaths are factory farmed animals. The most animal suffering and death can be prevented by following a vegan diet.
FULL: link [www.animalvisuals.org]
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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | Demented said:
So it would be safe to say your a vegetarian????
No way
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jonnythan
Cucumber cowboy
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Join Date: Aug 2005 | rogy said:
No way
rogY
Not vegetarian? You eat meat?
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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | offmetrolley said:
i,ve been veggie for 20 years,and vegan for 2,but i have slipped back onto cheese,is so hard being vegan, 
I'm surprised you say that if you live in the British midlands. There is a large vegan community there isn't there?
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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | jonnythan said:
Not vegetarian? You eat meat?
No, vegan since 1979. I never saw vegetarianism as a logical position. In fact, if reduction of suffering is the criteria, then a dairy-free meat eater probably does "better" for nonhuman animals than a vegetarisn (accepting that there are many different types and some are close to veganism).
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OffmetrOlley
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Join Date: Oct 2009 | rogy said:
I'm surprised you say that if you live in the British midlands. There is a large vegan community there isn't there?
rogY
i dont know about that,just find the vegan diet hard,just my weakness i suppose,cheese and choc,i know thats a cop out,but i am veggie always will be.
Ever wonder why women can't put on mascara with their mouth closed?
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roBingoodfElLOW
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Join Date: Nov 2008 | rogy said:
The results of this estimation show that a diet that includes animal products will result in more animal deaths than a plant-based diet with the same number of calories . The production of chicken meat results in vastly more animal deaths than any other category of food. Based on this estimation, someone wanting to modify their eating habits in order to reduce animal suffering and death should start by removing chicken from their diet, then eggs. Although beef may cause more animal deaths than pork, pork probably causes more suffering, because most of the beef-related deaths are wild animals, and in comparison, a greater number of the pork-related deaths are factory farmed animals. The most animal suffering and death can be prevented by following a vegan diet.
FULL: link [www.animalvisuals.org]
No f***ing way! 
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jonnythan
Cucumber cowboy
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Join Date: Aug 2005 | rogy said:
No, vegan since 1979. I never saw vegetarianism as a logical position. In fact, if reduction of suffering is the criteria, then a dairy-free meat eater probably does "better" for nonhuman animals than a vegetarisn (accepting that there are many different types and some are close to veganism).
rogY
Veganism is a subset of vegetarianism. I'd think twice before I told people I was "not vegetarian."
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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | roBingoodfElLOW said:
No f***ing way!
Before we get any more funnies, perhaps people should take in this bit (from the beginning of the article): "Steven Davis advanced the argument that fewer animals would be harmed if we consumed a diet containing large herbivores (namely cattle) fed on pasture than if we consumed a vegan diet."
Meat eaters have used Davis' work as a way of suggesting that some meat eating causes less animal deaths than veganism.
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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | jonnythan said:
Veganism is a subset of vegetarianism. I'd think twice before I told people I was "not vegetarian."
By co-incidence, there is a new blog entry on veganism by Gary L. Francione who is the intellectual inspiration of the new vegan-based animal rights movement: link [www.abolitionistapproach.com]
It is true that some call veganism "pure vegetarianism" (etc) and some think that the word "vegetarian" should mean veganism since vegetarians still exploitatively use nonhuman animals.
Given that they do, I am not a vegetarian.
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jonnythan
Cucumber cowboy
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Join Date: Aug 2005 | rogy said:
Given that they do, I am not a vegetarian.
You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true.
Appeal to any sources you want, but the common and dictionary definitions of the word vegetarian include your system of veganism.
So, yes, you are a vegetarian.
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rogy
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | jonnythan said:
You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true.
Appeal to any sources you want, but the common and dictionary definitions of the word vegetarian include your system of veganism.
So, yes, you are a vegetarian.
Not according to the first dictionary I had to hand (Word Power). Vegetarian and vegan is in two separate entries.
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