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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 00:38:43#16
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calonso said:
As why Jesus spoke mostly in parables?


jesus the man or the myth?

a jesus figure has existed in almost every civilization, ever.


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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 00:49:59#17
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the7thdimension said:
jesus the man or the myth?

a jesus figure has existed in almost every civilization, ever.


And all of them employ parables and analogies when sharing their spiritual wisdom, words are mere words but in an analogy they can mean many things.


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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 19:32:45#18
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calonso said:
And all of them employ parables and analogies when sharing their spiritual wisdom, words are mere words but in an analogy they can mean many things.


true they can mean anything you want them to as in most spiritual context. but how can we determine their underlying purpose?

it wouldnt be the first time good has been used for bad.


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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 20:02:23#19
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the7thdimension said:
true they can mean anything you want them to as in most spiritual context. but how can we determine their underlying purpose?

it wouldnt be the first time good has been used for bad.


Well according to the ancient wisdom, especially in taoism, there is not 'underlying purpose' just the wisdom and the individual is free to percieve the wisdom however they percieve it. But when the wisdom is not heeded it's not being used for bad, it's just not being used at all. A bible in the hands of a tyrant indending to use it's good name to execute his evil actions is no longer a bible but an empty book and his followers are mindless pawns also ignoring the words of the wise.


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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 20:18:46#20
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well, its all in the hands of the teacher.

the majority is in the hands of the teacher, only the transcendent can teach themselves.


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New Post! May 14, 2008 @ 20:58:15#21
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The teacher can only do so much, it's up to the student and we are all capable of being trascendent, the tao te ching says;

To straighten the crooked
You must first do a harder thing
Straighten yourself.
You are your only master.


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New Post! May 16, 2008 @ 00:04:52#22
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calonso said:
The teacher can only do so much, it's up to the student and we are all capable of being trascendent, the tao te ching says;

To straighten the crooked
You must first do a harder thing
Straighten yourself.
You are your only master.


of course, and its no easy task. living in these societies has caused human beings to become the crooked. what was once known as love is now being written off as a chemical imbalance, only useful in the preservation of a species. what has failed to be recognized is that love is the balance that preserves the species, and that maybe the ethereal deserves a little more credit. science has found a way to destroy hope,
any real teacher will do just fine.


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New Post! May 16, 2008 @ 00:30:23#23
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the7thdimension said:
of course, and its no easy task. living in these societies has caused human beings to become the crooked. what was once known as love is now being written off as a chemical imbalance, only useful in the preservation of a species. what has failed to be recognized is that love is the balance that preserves the species, and that maybe the ethereal deserves a little more credit. science has found a way to destroy hope,
any real teacher will do just fine.


The same text I quoted from also says to trust the way things are, and technically so does the bible. Some people may choose to destroy all hope using science but that's why there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom. Just because we scientifically know of what takes place in our bodies when we are in love does not mean that love is just a mere chemical imbalance. If humanity chooses the intellectual and not the spiritual than let it do so, this wouldn't be the first time, remember the tree of life incident? It may take an eternity for us to get to where we need to be but the bible tells us that with God a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day.


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New Post! May 18, 2008 @ 02:19:07#24
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calonso said:
The same text I quoted from also says to trust the way things are, and technically so does the bible. Some people may choose to destroy all hope using science but that's why there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom. Just because we scientifically know of what takes place in our bodies when we are in love does not mean that love is just a mere chemical imbalance. If humanity chooses the intellectual and not the spiritual than let it do so, this wouldn't be the first time, remember the tree of life incident? It may take an eternity for us to get to where we need to be but the bible tells us that with God a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day.




the problem is that god isn't a separate entity. duality is a myth, spread with a very human design. we are capable of more than we think to be possible, but have devolved from it. we are responsible for defining spirituality, not the bible.


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New Post! May 18, 2008 @ 23:18:47#25
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You are absolutely right! God is within us, not that 'we are god' but that God is within us all. We've been trying too hard to define it and so we came up with all these confusing man made philosophies. No matter how scientific you get with it, our existence has experienced atleast 3 of those dimensions and a holy trinity of three has been trying to say something to me.
There's no going about it, religion was instinct to us before we learned how to crawl. So yes, trying to evolve out of that fact causes us to de-evolve.
But last I read, a prophet trying to run from his divine calling ended up in the belly of a whale. If that's where we are headed than... take a deep breath.


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New Post! May 24, 2008 @ 05:53:35#26
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This planet that these giants are on is supposed to appear soon then....?We could then see alote of disruption as the populations react to what they see coming.?
There has diffently been a transfer of knowledge in the past...Sumerians,Mayans....etc "as it was in the beginning so it will be in the end."Interesting how the Mayan calendar runs backwards.

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New Post! May 24, 2008 @ 21:19:04#27
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calonso said:
You are absolutely right! God is within us, not that 'we are god' but that God is within us all. We've been trying too hard to define it and so we came up with all these confusing man made philosophies. No matter how scientific you get with it, our existence has experienced atleast 3 of those dimensions and a holy trinity of three has been trying to say something to me.
There's no going about it, religion was instinct to us before we learned how to crawl. So yes, trying to evolve out of that fact causes us to de-evolve.
But last I read, a prophet trying to run from his divine calling ended up in the belly of a whale. If that's where we are headed than... take a deep breath.


i don't believe religion itself is the instinct. The connection to the "higher self" or the godhead is an instinct from birth. This connection can be restricted, creating an alternate reality. A material existence in fact.

Now not many know how or why this happened, or even when for that matter. But it has definitely been a huge influence on the human consciousness for as long as we of 15,000 years remember. It uses a social structure to manipulate the human race into conforming to sections and roles. It's manipulative and destructive, but it could just be the process of mental evolution, born into the consciousness to stimulate and fertilize the mind. There are more questions than answers in the area, but i tell you the answers do exist. People have explored them and often used them to continue the original process. As far as I know the answer for existence is pure unadulterated ego. The complete worship of the self and the experience. When i say "the self" I mean the whole of existence. You, me and the tree. It's very interesting that some people believe that the individual is the only reality. Everything else is a holographic reality of a single mind.
This is referred to as existentialism and further dampens any logical
outcome. I guess logic just doesn't fit when your discussing the unknown.


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New Post! May 25, 2008 @ 16:51:15#28
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Religion is mans attempt to understand the divine. That's why there's so many different religions, every body has their own interpretation, some even go the extent of creating a cult. That started the moment man had a notion of a higher being, because we are a scientific people, we have to understand and label everything. Religion is like a science of the spirit if you will. Most people do put logic to it, not that you can, and when they do you get all sorts of crazy outcomes.
On the self worshiping thing, I like the Buddhist mentality of being one with the universe. Its not so much an action of worship but of a different point of view, and a pretty healthy one I think.
Everything else is a holographic reality of a single mind for after all, life is but a dream.

Man, we are so off topic but it's my thread so I'll allow it.


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New Post! May 25, 2008 @ 22:19:37#29
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calonso said:
Religion is mans attempt to understand the divine. That's why there's so many different religions, every body has their own interpretation, some even go the extent of creating a cult. That started the moment man had a notion of a higher being, because we are a scientific people, we have to understand and label everything. Religion is like a science of the spirit if you will. Most people do put logic to it, not that you can, and when they do you get all sorts of crazy outcomes.
On the self worshiping thing, I like the Buddhist mentality of being one with the universe. Its not so much an action of worship but of a different point of view, and a pretty healthy one I think.
Everything else is a holographic reality of a single mind for after all, life is but a dream.

Man, we are so off topic but it's my thread so I'll allow it.


we're not too off topic, according to many the nibiru and annunaki are the gods referred to in the hieroglyphs. religion has evolved according to egyptian history, so it's only fair to assume that the two are somehow connected.


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New Post! May 27, 2008 @ 18:19:06#30
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the7thdimension said:
we're not too off topic, according to many the nibiru and annunaki are the gods referred to in the hieroglyphs. religion has evolved according to egyptian history, so it's only fair to assume that the two are somehow connected.


You know they had something exactly like that in the first Stargate movie about Ra. It was pretty interesting. Yea but those egyptians pretty much diefied anyone with status so i wouldn't be surprised.


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