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SparklyKatie
Walking on sunshine
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27099 points
23/F/, United Kingdom
Join Date: Jan 2009 | rogy said:
Genuine habitat protection.
rogY
Yeah because that's so much simpler than a captive breeding program  |  | |
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rogy
Mega Über-Meister+
4256 points
52/M/, United Kingdom
Join Date: Dec 2007 | SparklyKatie said:
Yeah because that's so much simpler than a captive breeding program
You make it sound as though captive breeding is easy. Not only do nonhuman animals often refuse to breed in prison, there is the difficult issue of reintroduction (assuming that's the idea and the notion of captive breeding is not just a cover for a zoological collection).
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SparklyKatie
Walking on sunshine
Ogler+
27099 points
23/F/, United Kingdom
Join Date: Jan 2009 | rogy said:
You make it sound as though captive breeding is easy. Not only do nonhuman animals often refuse to breed in prison, there is the difficult issue of reintroduction (assuming that's the idea and the notion of captive breeding is not just a cover for a zoological collection).
rogY
I never said it was easy, just a lot easier than habitat protection. | | | |
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rogy
Mega Über-Meister+
4256 points
52/M/, United Kingdom
Join Date: Dec 2007 | SparklyKatie said:
I never said it was easy, just a lot easier than habitat protection.
Sure, if the criteria is what's easy, then holding nonhumans captive for generations may be easier than the inevitable involvement in globalised politics in habitat protection.
However, I'm far from convinced that warehousing nonhuman animals so visitors can gawp at them is really any solution, and certainly involves rights violations from an animal rights p.o.v.
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Marcussextus
Über-Minister
19255 points
55/M/Darwin, Australia
Join Date: Aug 2009 | curiouskat said:
I think some of the studies that come out are far fetched and narrow minded.
We have a water shortage here in Aus.
The vegans reckon if we stopped breeding cattle we would reduce our water usage by enough to solve our shortage for another 100 yrs. 
Never mind that fact that the meat export industry just about single handedly keeps our economy afloat 
Not too sure about that there CK, but it certainly is the most important of the RURAL economies. I love reading vegan ideas and proposals, it's like Monty Python really, lol.
I mean no offence to any followers, but the overall trend of it is Utopian, and more suited to fiction than any serious discussion of the worlds options.
The one little detail they always dance around is that it is THIS society that gives them the freedom and ability to follow their dreams, without it the harsh realities of existence would soon see their extinction!
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rogy
Mega Über-Meister+
4256 points
52/M/, United Kingdom
Join Date: Dec 2007 | Marcussextus said:
Not too sure about that there CK, but it certainly is the most important of the RURAL economies. I love reading vegan ideas and proposals, it's like Monty Python really, lol.
I mean no offence to any followers, but the overall trend of it is Utopian, and more suited to fiction than any serious discussion of the worlds options.
The one little detail they always dance around is that it is THIS society that gives them the freedom and ability to follow their dreams, without it the harsh realities of existence would soon see their extinction!
A rural economy is based on what people produce in rural areas. That does not have to involve harm or violence to others.
The "THIS society" point makes no sense.
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rogy
Mega Über-Meister+
4256 points
52/M/, United Kingdom
Join Date: Dec 2007 | Mattuna said:
ok so i have a solution to this meat eating issue lets just kill every human on the planet and then we wont have to worry about meat eating. there problem solved. s*** someone tell the lions and tigers and bears to stop killling the poor little bunnies dont they know its wrong and they are horrible horrible things got what is wrong with all these animals god rogy your needed go teach them to eat nasty tofu cause its better for the earth
Lions, tigers and bears eating the poor bunnies, huh? You've really thought your position through, I can tell 
The issue is about the billions of gas factories we deliberately breed when we need not do so.
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boxerdc
rumpledforeskin
Monk+
30216 points
48/M/Inside the Beltway, Maryland
Join Date: Nov 2008 | rogy said:
The issue is about the billions of gas factories we deliberately breed when we need not do so.
We do need to. I love steak.
I've got nothing against you deciding not to eat anything that comes from animals, but I'm going to continue to eat steak, and cheese, and drink milk..
And because of that, cows will continue to fart. | | | |
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Lili
Secretly Ridiculous
Über-Monkey+
58597 points
27/F/Sunshine Land, California
Join Date: Apr 2005 | Marcussextus said:
Not too sure about that there CK, but it certainly is the most important of the RURAL economies. I love reading vegan ideas and proposals, it's like Monty Python really, lol.
I mean no offence to any followers, but the overall trend of it is Utopian, and more suited to fiction than any serious discussion of the worlds options.
The one little detail they always dance around is that it is THIS society that gives them the freedom and ability to follow their dreams, without it the harsh realities of existence would soon see their extinction!
Isn't India mostly vegetarian?
I think it's because Hinduism promotes vegetarianism, and most people in India are Hindu. I could be attributing that to the wrong religion, I'm not sure, but the point remains: it is not unreasonable to think there could be a animal-suffering-conscience society. India is the second most populated country in the world, too isn't it, behind China. They have over 1 billion people, the majority of whom are vegetarian. |  | | Edited: November 05, 2009 @ 21:04 |  |
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rogy
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4256 points
52/M/, United Kingdom
Join Date: Dec 2007 | boxerdc said:
We do need to. I love steak.
I've got nothing against you deciding not to eat anything that comes from animals, but I'm going to continue to eat steak, and cheese, and drink milk..
And because of that, cows will continue to fart.
Why are you so anxious to be involved in violence? It cannot be good for you.
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boxerdc
rumpledforeskin
Monk+
30216 points
48/M/Inside the Beltway, Maryland
Join Date: Nov 2008 | rogy said:
Why are you so anxious to be involved in violence? It cannot be good for you.
rogY
It's statements like this that force me to make fun of you.
Do you think that it helps to refer to cattle as non-humans?
Do you think that it helps to refer to eating beef as involvement in violence?
Because it doesn't.
I just like steak.. and cheese.. and milk.
And I'm not going to give them up, especially for someone who describes chickens as non-humans, and compares egg gathering to infanticide. | | | |
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rogy
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52/M/, United Kingdom
Join Date: Dec 2007 | boxerdc said:
It's statements like this that force me to make fun of you.
Do you think that it helps to refer to cattle as non-humans?
Do you think that it helps to refer to eating beef as involvement in violence?
Because it doesn't.
I just like steak.. and cheese.. and milk.
And I'm not going to give them up, especially for someone who describes chickens as non-humans, and compares egg gathering to infanticide.
You misunderstand - I do not want you to do anything for me.
So, if "cattle" are not nonhuman animals, then what?
Do you think it is possible for a steak to arrive at your plate without violence being involved?
Killing is a pretty violent thing - even if you want to call it slaughter, you are still taking about stun guns and knives, and "sticking" and bleeding out.
How is that not violent?
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