Just how innocent was Trayvon?

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911 calls

Residents of the gated community heard the gunshot.

Seven 911 calls released by authorities document their fear.

@white_swan53 Said

There has always been and always will be ( on both sides of the issue)those who will show the attitudes and make the comments that lead you to post what you did about a white person vs. a black person , walking with a screwdriver while wearing a hoodie...
All a person needs to do is watch a news program or read an article about what is happening across America right now to get their fill of racism from either side , the people supporting / protesting demanding Zimmerman's part ,, and the ones supporting / protesting demanding Martins part , be taken care of and done in such a way that they will be satisfied that their 'side has had the justice they deserve/ expect.
I totally agree with you about Martins 'record' and this situation. the only way could possibly have any bearing on this is if any type of controlled substance is found in his system during the autopsy .
I HAVE NOT SEEN NOR HEARD ANYTHING OF THE KIND AT ALL !!!!
I bow to your extensive knowledge on law when you say Zimmerman's record could be used in court .

@Dorky Supergirl Said

@white_swan53 Said

I was wondering something.
The girl Martin was talking to on the cell phone , will her testimony be allowed in court? The reason I'm asking is the family lawyer has made public everything she said except her Identity , plus she really can't say for positive what happened , she is guessing at what she thinks she heard happen etc...

@Dorky Supergirl Said

Here's the thing though, even if it comes back that he had drugs or alcohol in his system, it would not prove that he started the altercation. Who started this altercation, in my opinion, is what its going to come down to. The reason, the Stand Your Ground Law, does not allow you to start a confrontation and then shoot someone when you started it.

There is no reason to indicate Martin had drugs or alcohol in his system but and BIG if, if its proven he did, just because he smoked a joint and went to the store does not mean he started the altercation. But it could be something the defense can use, if it gets to a trial.

How it would here is that the defense lawyer and the prosecution would meet before a judge to determine if Zimmerman's past history of assaults can be entered into the trial. The judge will have that say. One one hand, the defense will say it will prejudice the jury and the prosecution will say its something the jury needs to hear because it shows his history and his character and will cast doubt on his possible defense. As per the defense experts they had on tv last night, that is how it would work in Florida as well.

@white_swan53 Said

I was wondering something.
The girl Martin was talking to on the cell phone , will her testimony be allowed in court? The reason I'm asking is the family lawyer has made public everything she said except her Identity , plus she really can't say for positive what happened , she is guessing at what she thinks she heard happen etc...

@jonnythan Said

She could testify regarding what she heard on the phone, yes.

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The girl, who did not want to be identified, said she was on the phone with the teen before the shooting.

When Zimmerman got closer to Martin, she told her boyfriend to run, but Martin told her that he was not going to run, she said.

"What are you stopping me for?" Martin asked Zimmerman, according to the girl.

"What are you doing around here?" Zimmerman asked in response.

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The girl said she then got the impression that an altercation was taking place and that someone had pushed Martin, because the headset fell out of his ear, and the phone shut off.

@white_swan53 Said

Oh , I know that ,hoped I had made it clear that I agree that whatever happens in Martins world before the moment of contact with Zimmerman that night is of no importance or has any bearing on the events of that night. Zimmerman told the 911 dispatch that the suspicious person 'might be on drugs' that is why I even mentioned it at all in a if or may be sort of way.
As in any case that has just begun too be investigated , the out come is completely unknown .
There are those that are acting like there can only be one outcome and those are also making angry or threatening comments about what may happen if the out come is anything less then what they want it to be.

@white_swan53 Said

This all that the family lawyer says , she said, she was sure of.


This is the part that started me wondering about her testimony and if it would be allowed.



What she said was said between herself and Martin borders on " he said , said , they said, ' which I know is not normally permitted as testimony After that it comes to what she thinks or is guessing happened.

@DorkySupergirl Said

Well, I just saw this on tv and found a link to support what I heard. According to the funeral director who prepared Tyrone's body, there was no sighs of injury to his hands that would suggest he beat someone up.

link [www.unheard-voices.com]

Again, I am not a medical doctor or anyone with a professional opinion but just as an observer, I am not sure how you can break someones nose and beat their head into the pavement and not have injury to your hands or knuckles. Couple that with no injuries on the video I saw of Zimmerman and things do not add up to me.

@DorkySupergirl Said

She can be subpoenaed to testify, yes. I am not sure of the laws in Florida where the alleged crime occurred but here she would be able to testify as to what time the call was placed, who called who, what exactly Tyrone told her, if she heard an altercation and if so, what exactly did she hear. She would not be allowed to testify as to guessing what happened or testify as to his state on mind, that would call for speculation or call for an opinion. She can't do that. But yes, anything he told her as to what was going on and his feelings, she can testify to that, she just can't guess or speculate.

@white_swan53 Said

a friend of Zimmermans is quoted saying that he has spoken with Zimmerman and Zimmerman told him all that had taken place that night. But he can't can't say what was said between himself and Zimmerman because of the investigation.

@white_swan53 Said

In the article that has the seven 911 calls 'word for word '
The families lawyer has made public what he says is all that the girl said she heard, in another part of the same article a friend of Zimmermans is quoted saying that he has spoken with Zimmerman and Zimmerman told him all that had taken place that night. But he can't can't say what was said between himself and Zimmerman because of the investigation. This was another thing that set me to wondering , why wouldn't the families lawyer be under the same ' can't say anything' deal ?

@white_swan53 Said

DSG,
While I have not heard how Martins name is pronounced I do know it's not spelled 'Tyrone' it's spelled ' Trayvon' . Just wanted to throw that info on the table.