thats why im the prisoner beater and your the scientist

crazychica said:
It was a really bad idea and whoever thought of it should be poked to death

We make a good team though.


Frosty the Snowman was a jolly happy soul,
with a corn cob pipe and a button nose and two eyes made out of coal...

gibbs and chica

crazychica said:
It was a really bad idea and whoever thought of it should be poked to death

Hi Chica
I hope it doesn't sound like i was lecturing you, I was merely explaining the real world, a world where a policeman throws down a cigarette and another picked it up and sent it away to be tested, which happened in this case.
The police also missed the lip balm or lid Lees used to try to get the cuffs off.
The real world is where the aus police used a school art teacher with no experience whatsoever in photokit portraits, cos thats the best they had.
Alice Springs was 400 miles away, and she already spent the night in that dingey road inn.

The policewoman noted the mark down to J Lees's head, the doctor did not. What part of that statement was J Lees fault?

I don't know if Peter died there or not, but I and everyone of the jury, the people that sat through all the presented evidence and circumstantial evidence for weeks believe him to be dead.

Someone said there was not enough blood for Peter to have died. Forget luminol, how much did the dog drink before the scientists arrived? and how long did it take the scientists to get there?

Thing is, blood is fliud, like water, so like water, it disappears, it trickles down though the dirt, dig deep enough and you find it. It doesn't evaporate, it dries. Even if the dog lapped up half a pint the other 7 and 1/2 pints would be trickling their way down to the bedrock. It does happen. One of my professors pulled up floorboards in a suspect's house and found 7 pints of day-old blood there. Also, blood doesn't drip, it spatters. Even with a dog lapping at blood and messing it up slightly wouldn't do too much to change the pattern. You can tell by the pattern what kind of wound was sustained etc but I still hear nothing about a fatal gunshot wound in there.

If the police really did mess up thi badly then the case should have been thrown out of court as it would have been OJ Simpson all over again. All the evidence could then be thrown into question leaving the prosecution with nothing but one person's word against another.


Frosty the Snowman was a jolly happy soul,
with a corn cob pipe and a button nose and two eyes made out of coal...

The police messed up on irrelevant things, like the cigarette butt.

Lees was there, she was picked up by the truckers there, and her footprints were there, underneath the bush she said she hid under. She realised a month or 2 later the balm lid was missing, the police went back and eventually found it.

The newspapers made a big deal out of this, trying to confuse people and make a mystery out of nothing, accusing the police of "planting" it there! They are guilty of trying to get readers to buy newspapers, and mystery sells!

I can't think of any relevance whatsoever this lid had in the case, except to collaborate her story. It wasn't Murdoch's, he had not seen it or touched it. If murder cases came to a halt over trivia like this, none of the stabbing victims in London would ever get justice.

ps The jury OJ Simpson lawyers chose were black. I often wondered if the victim had been black would the verdict have been the same? He was a celeb, so probably.

It amazing how the US justice system allowed the colour choice to play a part in the verdict. Its a disgrace to let racism be used as tactics like this. Can you imagine if a white person killed a black person, and the defence lawyers chose KKC members

It would take more than a lid to corroborate a story, trust me on that one. And the cigarrette butt would have been relevent. In court, it could be used to through doubt into the evidence. In the crime lab, it would have wasted valuable time, at the crime scene, it would have contaminated it. Things like this throw other pieces of evidence into doubt. For example, here in the UK, scientists and police spent a lot of time working with some flakes found in the body, they later turned out to be from the coroner's aging notebook. On the same case, time was also wasted on paint flakes found on the victim's clothes. They turned out to be from a ladder that was used to hang them up to dry before a more detailed examination was done.

Footwear impressions (footprints are actually the "fingerprints" of your feet. They're just as unique as finger or palm prints) are only circumstantial evidence at best. They prove you have been in an area. They don't give a when or why. If it's someplace where you are expected to have been then they mean nothing. If they are someplace you should not have been then they become more significant. All the footwear impressions would confirm is that she had been there, just like the balm lid.

As for the original OJ Simpson case, it was very badly investigated. Those involved didn't even wear gloves and seriously contaminated the evidence meaning that the judge was forced to nullify the evidence, it was no longer accepted in the court room. If you have noe evidence, the jury cannot find the defendant guilty, regardless or colour or race. It's a very significant case in forensic science. It teaches you how *not* to process a crime scene.


Frosty the Snowman was a jolly happy soul,
with a corn cob pipe and a button nose and two eyes made out of coal...

so OJ didnt do it

crazychica said:
It was a really bad idea and whoever thought of it should be poked to death

No OJ did do it. There was a trail of heavy, visible blood leading from his ex's house to his. If the evidence had been collected properly, he'd have been found guilty. unfotrunately, it wasn't and OJ was released. Google it. The original OJ Simpson case.


Frosty the Snowman was a jolly happy soul,
with a corn cob pipe and a button nose and two eyes made out of coal...

i was being silly little albatrose

crazychica said:
It was a really bad idea and whoever thought of it should be poked to death

hey just dont get your self killed

crazychica said:
It was a really bad idea and whoever thought of it should be poked to death

Trying to make sure that doesn't happen. Haven't almost died since I was 10 so I'm doing well so far.


Frosty the Snowman was a jolly happy soul,
with a corn cob pipe and a button nose and two eyes made out of coal...

I got sucked under a waterfall at Time Capsule in Coatbridge. The life guards didn't notice judging by the looks on their faces when Jenny pulled me out about a minute later. They were all just staring in shock. One of them grabbed his whistle and gave it a really weak blow.


Frosty the Snowman was a jolly happy soul,
with a corn cob pipe and a button nose and two eyes made out of coal...