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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 00:04:35#1
cailyn10289
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I read a story today about a woman who underwent IVF treatment, and became pregnant from it. Later she found out the embryos were actually someone elses. Because of her religious views, she would not abort. She also met with the biological parents and is planning to hand the baby over when it is born. Since court precedent states the biological parents will always receive custody, they would not fight it.

I have a question for each side of the spectrum.

Pro-life: Would you think that the woman carrying the child should be able to keep it, or do you agree with the precedent?

Pro-choice: Do you think the pregnant woman should be able to abort, even though technically the child is not hers?

Question for all: Would you sue the s*** out of the fertility clinic? I sure would.

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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 00:06:50#2
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If a pro lifer wants to prove it is wrong to abort the baby, by having the baby, I am all for it, too many excuses these days




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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 00:08:16#3
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sugarflyguy said:

If a pro lifer wants to prove it is wrong to abort the baby, by having the baby, I am all for it, too many excuses these days


That wasn't really my question. I already know what a pro-lifer would do in this situation. I asked whether the pregnant woman should be able to keep it or not.
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cailyn10289 said:

That wasn't really my question. I already know what a pro-lifer would do in this situation. I asked whether the pregnant woman should be able to keep it or not.



Yes, because it is inside her



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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 00:09:44#5
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I watched interviews with both families earlier today. They all seem to understand that it's hard for the other parties involved, and the parents who pregnant asked only for a few minutes to say hello and good-bye when the baby is born (next week).

At the very least, every expense involved with this pregnancy should be cost-free to the families. That's quite a hefty mistake




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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 00:11:30#6
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Wingsy said:

I watched interviews with both families earlier today. They all seem to understand that it's hard for the other parties involved, and the parents who pregnant asked only for a few minutes to say hello and good-bye when the baby is born (next week).

At the very least, every expense involved with this pregnancy should be cost-free to the families. That's quite a hefty mistake


That's a life changing, and could of been a possible life threatening mistake. Every expense better be covered, plus I'd expect a hefty lawsuit coming soon.
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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 00:11:43#7
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cailyn10289 said:

I read a story today about a woman who underwent IVF treatment, and became pregnant from it. Later she found out the embryos were actually someone elses. Because of her religious views, she would not abort. She also met with the biological parents and is planning to hand the baby over when it is born. Since court precedent states the biological parents will always receive custody, they would not fight it.

I have a question for each side of the spectrum.

Pro-life: Would you think that the woman carrying the child should be able to keep it, or do you agree with the precedent?

Pro-choice: Do you think the pregnant woman should be able to abort, even though technically the child is not hers?

Question for all: Would you sue the s*** out of the fertility clinic? I sure would.



I think she should be allowed to abort. I don't think the morality of abortion is a question of who the foetus "belongs" to. It's about whether or not the foetus itself deserves to live, regardless of its true parentage.



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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 00:13:02#8
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buffalobill90 said:

I think she should be allowed to abort. I don't think the morality of abortion is a question of who the foetus "belongs" to. It's about whether or not the foetus itself deserves to live, regardless of its true parentage.


Well she was aloud to abort the child, but she decided against it.

It doesn't make sense to me. You can destroy the potential child, but you cannot keep it once you pop it out.
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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 00:15:41#9
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It's a pretty fubar situation, in any case. Ultimately no resolution which appealed to general laws would be satisfactory in such a unique case; the families themselves should decide what is best for the child.




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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 00:21:49#10
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Why sue? What will it do, for anyone?
Too much focus on putting a price on everything!
Yes, all costs should be dropped, and the families counseled, but what will bankrupting the IVF service achieve?
It will merely increase the cost and difficulty for other would-be parents, and solve nothing.
A large part of the cost of providing any medical service is the price of insurance, and it's at historical highs, precisely because of this "sue for anything" attitude.

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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 01:44:01#11
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Well.... in this case Idk. She just paid all that money to do this, and turn around and just throw it down the drain? And I'd be very upset if some woman was carrying my baby and out of sheer spite aborted it.

If I were on either side, the pregnant woman or the couple with the embryos... I'd be suing the s*** out of the clinic.

It's a sticky situatation.




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Marcussextus said:

Why sue? What will it do, for anyone?


Pay for emotional and property damage, My embryos/eggs are my property!

AND teach those people at the clinic to be more careful.

This isn't a little mix up, this is a life altering f*** UP.



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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 01:49:07#13
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If I were pregnant with some other woman child, I wouldn't abort. It's her baby. She wants it. I'd never do that.

However, I'd be LIVID beyond belief.
It would kill me to carry a child for 9 months and give it away. I'd want MY baby.




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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 02:30:42#14
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Kristy69 said:

Pay for emotional and property damage, My embryos/eggs are my property!

AND teach those people at the clinic to be more careful.

This isn't a little mix up, this is a life altering f*** UP.


You haven't answered my query well, I asked "Why put a dollar price on everything "?
Teach them? Do you honestly believe it's humanly possible to be perfect? Do you suspect them of not regretting what has happened, or being heartless?
It won't effect the staff involved any more than it already does, and will certainly make them more secretive and less helpful in future.
This sense of owning etc as you seem to apply it is just more of the same, everything belongs to someone and has a price.
Yep, it's a terrible situation, but money changing hands won't alter it one iota, will it?
Other than increasing the difficulty and expense for other would-be parents, and making the practitioners more reluctant, what will it realistically achieve?
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New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 07:52:34#15
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I guess if anyone knows what the other couple are going through that woman with the baby does.

Personally if she wanted to abort at early stages i would completely understand that. I feel that is her prerogative seeing as she is going to be the vessel for this baby for the next 9 months.

If the embryos fertilised once they are likely to do so again.

If it was me yes I would sue the IVF clinic for a genuine amount to cover medical costs and at least 2 more cycles of treatment. I would not get greedy with it.

Medical establishments do not take complaints so seriously unless legal action is taken. People mess up in their jobs every day but when you look at the consequences there is no margin for error.




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