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hedkandi1984_21
Ogler+
24095 points
25/F/Plymouth, United Kingdom
Join Date: Nov 2006 | whisper said:
Yes, I see your point...Alot of variables to consider, however, surely a family with say 3 computers in the house should pay more than one..I also run 2 large aquariums ( pictures to follow tonight when my sister returns my digital camera ), surely I should be penalised due to the electric consumption.
Well, seeing as it's based on electricity consumption and not how many laptops, etc, you use, that's kind of irrelevant. We use less electricity than most people I know, despite the fact that we do actually have 3 laptops lol. And then there's the fact that my housemate and I do really need our laptops for uni. I don't know how I would have managed the last 2 years without mine!
I'm just saying that I don't think there is any real standard tariff that you can use. I think that if it was to be done, you'd have to do one for standard families, and then separate ones for different groups like students, disabled and the elderly, people who work at home, etc. |  | |
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whisper
Über-Meister+
2308 points
28/F/swansea, United Kingdom
Join Date: Sep 2009 | hedkandi1984_21 said:
Well, seeing as it's based on electricity consumption and not how many laptops, etc, you use, that's kind of irrelevant. We use less electricity than most people I know, despite the fact that we do actually have 3 laptops lol. And then there's the fact that my housemate and I do really need our laptops for uni. I don't know how I would have managed the last 2 years without mine!
I'm just saying that I don't think there is any real standard tariff that you can use. I think that if it was to be done, you'd have to do one for standard families, and then separate ones for different groups like students, disabled and the elderly, people who work at home, etc.
groups could be workable..Maybe based on an assessment award like they do with benefits?..A great debate this has turned out to be! | | | |
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hedkandi1984_21
Ogler+
24095 points
25/F/Plymouth, United Kingdom
Join Date: Nov 2006 | whisper said:
groups could be workable..Maybe based on an assessment award like they do with benefits?..A great debate this has turned out to be!
An assessment could be the right way to go, alongside with recommendations on how people can reduce their energy use, based on their overall income. The amount of times I've heard people say the best way to be energy efficient is to sort out your roof and get double glazing . . .! No doubt, it's true, but not everyone can afford that! The only problem with an assessment, I think, is that they can be time consuming and expensive. In order to counteract the costs of staff, etc, I think a fee would have to be attached to it. But then if there was a fee, would the government be prepared to make it compulsory  And how many people would be happy to pay? Sounds like the ID card fiasco! | | | |
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fitzyp
Mega Über-Meister+
4506 points
18/M/Auckland, New Zealand
Join Date: Nov 2008 | whisper said:
How would a tax benefit the environment then? ( no sarchasm intended )
It goes towards things like: tree planting, green energy initiatives, subsidies on home insulation etc. Thereby minimising the offsets and also helping to reduce emissions in the future.
Kinda like taxes on cigarettes go towards paying for the burden placed on the public healthcare system by people with smoking related illnesses but also towards programmes designed to help people quit smoking. | | | |
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whisper
Über-Meister+
2308 points
28/F/swansea, United Kingdom
Join Date: Sep 2009 | fitzyp said:
It goes towards things like: tree planting, green energy initiatives, subsidies on home insulation etc. Thereby minimising the offsets and also helping to reduce emissions in the future.
Kinda like taxes on cigarettes go towards paying for the burden placed on the public healthcare system by people with smoking related illnesses but also towards programmes designed to help people quit smoking.
Great comment..Yes, I see how that would work | | | |
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whisper
Über-Meister+
2308 points
28/F/swansea, United Kingdom
Join Date: Sep 2009 | claudibee said:
We've got gas and electric pay-as-you-go cards/keys and it makes us very aware of how much we're using. We turn off everything that we're not using and use what we do sparingly. There must be something in what whisper's saying. 
so its a meter that you top up? awesome! and if it makes you more aware that has to be a good thing yeah? | | | |
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Demented
Mega Über-Meister
4801 points
110/NA/, Australia
Join Date: Sep 2009 | If anything,I would see charging Big Businesses better for the Gas,Electricity,and Water they use.
You'll find that most big company's get charged at a lesser rate than the average house does.
And to prove what I mean in one part,next time your in the City where you live,have a look around yourself and see just how many office blocks are still all lit up like a Christmas Tree,and there's nobody in them at 2,3am but there still all lit up??.
Some of you may live in a Flat,Apartment or Condo call it what you like,but if you could get into the power box,you just may find there's only One main Meter that feeds the lot,the power people come along and do a reading of the meter,and divide the amount used by however may Flats etc there are.
So in short you yourself may be a very power/water concious person,but all the others just use it as they please,you my friends are paying for some of the power they waste,now is that fair???I don't think so.
Same as Big Business,their bills are offset so they don't have to pay megabucks for it and the tab is picked up by us gullible fools.........the average person.
We had a Water shortage here and in some cases still do,so our Water supplier reduced the amount of water we were allowed to use a Quarter ( 3 months )and people became very water wise very quickly,and guess what,They in turn because their profits crashed put the price of water up,so we were paying if we used to much and paying if we didn't.
Although in some way's I see this theory as a workable thing,I do however,see it as something that comes back to bite the consumer,none of us run outside and check just how much Gas ,Elec or water we use a day? we get the bill and we pay it without question,and if you do question what they say,what's their reply????There'll be an extra cost of
??? Dollars to have us come and re read your meter,so at the end of the day,we're Damned if we do and Damned if we don't.
Ask yourself two questions here? (1) How much water,gas and elecricity do Soft Drink Manufactures Use every day (and remember these company's work 24/7)for making there products and that also covers these Bottled waters you buy
and (2) How much profit are they making out of something that is being offset by the average householder.
Now you decide,if this theory is a viable one for the consumer............Me?,I don't. | | | |
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whisper
Über-Meister+
2308 points
28/F/swansea, United Kingdom
Join Date: Sep 2009 | Demented said:
If anything,I would see charging Big Businesses better for the Gas,Electricity,and Water they use.
You'll find that most big company's get charged at a lesser rate than the average house does.
And to prove what I mean in one part,next time your in the City where you live,have a look around yourself and see just how many office blocks are still all lit up like a Christmas Tree,and there's nobody in them at 2,3am but there still all lit up??.
Some of you may live in a Flat,Apartment or Condo call it what you like,but if you could get into the power box,you just may find there's only One main Meter that feeds the lot,the power people come along and do a reading of the meter,and divide the amount used by however may Flats etc there are.
So in short you yourself may be a very power/water concious person,but all the others just use it as they please,you my friends are paying for some of the power they waste,now is that fair???I don't think so.
Same as Big Business,their bills are offset so they don't have to pay megabucks for it and the tab is picked up by us gullible fools.........the average person.
We had a Water shortage here and in some cases still do,so our Water supplier reduced the amount of water we were allowed to use a Quarter ( 3 months )and people became very water wise very quickly,and guess what,They in turn because their profits crashed put the price of water up,so we were paying if we used to much and paying if we didn't.
Although in some way's I see this theory as a workable thing,I do however,see it as something that comes back to bite the consumer,none of us run outside and check just how much Gas ,Elec or water we use a day? we get the bill and we pay it without question,and if you do question what they say,what's their reply????There'll be an extra cost of
??? Dollars to have us come and re read your meter,so at the end of the day,we're Damned if we do and Damned if we don't.
Ask yourself two questions here? (1) How much water,gas and elecricity do Soft Drink Manufactures Use every day (and remember these company's work 24/7)for making there products and that also covers these Bottled waters you buy
and (2) How much profit are they making out of something that is being offset by the average householder.
Now you decide,if this theory is a viable one for the consumer............Me?,I don't.
I agree that businesses should be on a different tarrif, but in laymans terms, there are far more households than businesses, so IMHO the householders take priority in this debate. Car washes should be taxed to the hilt, although, PITSTOP ( sorry mods for advertising ) in Swansea recycle all of their water, and pay £0 water bill | | | |
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Demented
Mega Über-Meister
4801 points
110/NA/, Australia
Join Date: Sep 2009 | whisper said:
I agree that businesses should be on a different tarrif, but in laymans terms, there are far more households than businesses, so IMHO the householders take priority in this debate. Car washes should be taxed to the hilt, although, PITSTOP ( sorry mods for advertising ) in Swansea recycle all of their water, and pay £0 water bill
Most Car Washes do recycle their water,out here it law for them and I agree with you on houses verses businesses,but don't forget their employee's live in the houses to,and some of them are hurting with costs of services as discussed,but the company profits still rise higher than any wage increase they give,and so the wheel turns again. | | | |
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plebian_angel
Intergalactic hussy
Pickle
106311 points
35/F/cyberspace paradise, Wisconsin
Join Date: Apr 2008 | whisper said:
Yes, I see your point...Alot of variables to consider, however, surely a family with say 3 computers in the house should pay more than one..I also run 2 large aquariums ( pictures to follow tonight when my sister returns my digital camera ), surely I should be penalised due to the electric consumption.
You're penalized with higher electric bills. |  | |
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whisper
Über-Meister+
2308 points
28/F/swansea, United Kingdom
Join Date: Sep 2009 | plebian_angel said:
You're penalized with higher electric bills.
yes, but that goes to an electric company and not helping the environment | | | |
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plebian_angel
Intergalactic hussy
Pickle
106311 points
35/F/cyberspace paradise, Wisconsin
Join Date: Apr 2008 | Demented said:
If anything,I would see charging Big Businesses better for the Gas,Electricity,and Water they use.
You'll find that most big company's get charged at a lesser rate than the average house does.
And to prove what I mean in one part,next time your in the City where you live,have a look around yourself and see just how many office blocks are still all lit up like a Christmas Tree,and there's nobody in them at 2,3am but there still all lit up??.
Some of you may live in a Flat,Apartment or Condo call it what you like,but if you could get into the power box,you just may find there's only One main Meter that feeds the lot,the power people come along and do a reading of the meter,and divide the amount used by however may Flats etc there are.
So in short you yourself may be a very power/water concious person,but all the others just use it as they please,you my friends are paying for some of the power they waste,now is that fair???I don't think so.
Same as Big Business,their bills are offset so they don't have to pay megabucks for it and the tab is picked up by us gullible fools.........the average person.
We had a Water shortage here and in some cases still do,so our Water supplier reduced the amount of water we were allowed to use a Quarter ( 3 months )and people became very water wise very quickly,and guess what,They in turn because their profits crashed put the price of water up,so we were paying if we used to much and paying if we didn't.
Although in some way's I see this theory as a workable thing,I do however,see it as something that comes back to bite the consumer,none of us run outside and check just how much Gas ,Elec or water we use a day? we get the bill and we pay it without question,and if you do question what they say,what's their reply????There'll be an extra cost of
??? Dollars to have us come and re read your meter,so at the end of the day,we're Damned if we do and Damned if we don't.
Ask yourself two questions here? (1) How much water,gas and elecricity do Soft Drink Manufactures Use every day (and remember these company's work 24/7)for making there products and that also covers these Bottled waters you buy
and (2) How much profit are they making out of something that is being offset by the average householder.
Now you decide,if this theory is a viable one for the consumer............Me?,I don't.
Here each apartment has their own electric meter. In the US. I think it would be illegal to split the cost 
And I just did average use of the various units in my building and they are all a lil different. | | | |
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plebian_angel
Intergalactic hussy
Pickle
106311 points
35/F/cyberspace paradise, Wisconsin
Join Date: Apr 2008 | whisper said:
yes, but that goes to an electric company and not helping the environment
I still don't see it working. We all use electricity for different reasons and you're gonna tell me a family who needs heat in the winter should be penalized for someone who can say live in 55 degree climate vs a 68 degree climate? | | | |
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