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Nov 15, 2008 @ 19:13:45

6dark6dreams6

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For those of you who are part of a religion...
Are there any parts of your religion that 'don't quite sit right' with you? And if so do you try and make yourself to believe them anyway because you feel you ought to believe it because that is what your religion expects you to believe? Do you somehow bend it around just so it does fit with with what you believe?

I'm only asking because i am curious.
When i was younger i took my first holy communion. When asked if i believed that Jesus came down into the Eucharist i said yes, but not because i believed it but because i felt i ought to believe it.
Talking to some other people i feel that there are parts of their religion that don't sit right or don't make sense but they don't question it or put it to one side or accept that its not right for them simply because they feel they ought to believe it. And so, to make it better for them they twist it around to fit their reality and their truth. Do any of you find yourself doing this as well?

"Howsoever men may approach me, even so do I accept them; for, on all sides, whatever path they may choose is mine." (Bhagavad Gita 4:11).

6dark6dreams6 last visited December 26, 2008

Nov 15, 2008 @ 19:33:56

kentoo

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6dark6dreams6 said:

For those of you who are part of a religion...
Are there any parts of your religion that 'don't quite sit right' with you? And if so do you try and make yourself to believe them anyway because you feel you ought to believe it because that is what your religion expects you to believe? Do you somehow bend it around just so it does fit with with what you believe?

I'm only asking because i am curious.
When i was younger i took my first holy communion. When asked if i believed that Jesus came down into the Eucharist i said yes, but not because i believed it but because i felt i ought to believe it.
Talking to some other people i feel that there are parts of their religion that don't sit right or don't make sense but they don't question it or put it to one side or accept that its not right for them simply because they feel they ought to believe it. And so, to make it better for them they twist it around to fit their reality and their truth. Do any of you find yourself doing this as well?

The first step to seeing what is truth is to stop lying to your self

Intent is the measure of heart

Nov 15, 2008 @ 19:50:22

hazuki0chan

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well, i'm open to religion but i'm not entirely convinced by it. My family is Catholic, but I've always doubted that there was a God out there. Some of the things that the Catholic church teaches are not right to me. For example, that nonsense about being gay and going to hell. I for one think that that's a load of bulls**t. You don't have to believe. It's not a crime having a different religion or not having one at all. You have to live your life seeking the truth and do what you believe is right. I hope this helps a little. Good Luck!

not until monkies fly outta my butt!

hazuki0chan last visited January 08, 2009

Edited: November 15, 2008 @ 19:51

Nov 17, 2008 @ 09:59:12

claudibee

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I try to take a commonsensical view of my religion and bear in mind that sometimes my beliefs and what happens to me or in the world clash. This means that I find certain aspects of my religion difficult to understand or apply. All I can do is try to live by my beliefs and accept that some parts of them are, if not illogical, hard to apply. Life not being perfect, I muddle along as best I can and interpret what I read or hear as best I can. That may not be too clear, but that's what I meant about life not being perfect!

BeTTy and spellchick, they're of one heart, but us three together.. we're the top fart.

Nov 17, 2008 @ 10:07:12

trillian

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there is no part of my faith i am unhappy with. i am not expected to make sacrifices or to forgive anyone i dont want to.

space..........the final frontier?

Nov 17, 2008 @ 10:10:14

claudibee

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trillian said:

there is no part of my faith i am unhappy with. i am not expected to make sacrifices or to forgive anyone i dont want to.

That sounds balanced.

BeTTy and spellchick, they're of one heart, but us three together.. we're the top fart.

Nov 17, 2008 @ 10:12:35

trillian

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claudibee said:

That sounds balanced.

it is. paganism is about balance.

space..........the final frontier?

Nov 17, 2008 @ 10:20:51

claudibee

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trillian said:

it is. paganism is about balance.

Isn't it just. I'm pagan and find it not only balanced but logical. Works for me.

BeTTy and spellchick, they're of one heart, but us three together.. we're the top fart.

Nov 17, 2008 @ 15:59:19

buffalobill90

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trillian said:

there is no part of my faith i am unhappy with. i am not expected to make sacrifices or to forgive anyone i dont want to.

Why would you not wish to forgive someone?

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Nov 17, 2008 @ 16:03:13

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claudibee said:

I try to take a commonsensical view of my religion and bear in mind that sometimes my beliefs and what happens to me or in the world clash. This means that I find certain aspects of my religion difficult to understand or apply. All I can do is try to live by my beliefs and accept that some parts of them are, if not illogical, hard to apply. Life not being perfect, I muddle along as best I can and interpret what I read or hear as best I can. That may not be too clear, but that's what I meant about life not being perfect!

To me that seems wasteful. Religion is self-securing because it require you to belief that doubt is wrong and unquestioning fatih is virtuous, and therefore any challenge is 'twisted', as the author of this thread says, so that it actually strengthens your belief. Eventually you reach the state of acceptance where only a major life-changing event has any chance of shaking your faith.

But faith is not good. It restricts your world-view to an archaic, narrow and immoral perspective.

Nov 17, 2008 @ 16:10:38

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claudibee

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buffalobill90 said:

To me that seems wasteful. Religion is self-securing because it require you to belief that doubt is wrong and unquestioning fatih is virtuous, and therefore any challenge is 'twisted', as the author of this thread says, so that it actually strengthens your belief. Eventually you reach the state of acceptance where only a major life-changing event has any chance of shaking your faith.

But faith is not good. It restricts your world-view to an archaic, narrow and immoral perspective.

All sorts of events shake my faith every day, and not just my religious faith. I don't have unquestioning faith, the older I get the more pragmatic about life I become, and know that nothing is for sure. Having said that I am happy with my faith and it does help me in my everyday life. We haven't got the same way of looking at life as, say, Christians but we do try to be as decent as we can in a difficult world.

BeTTy and spellchick, they're of one heart, but us three together.. we're the top fart.

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