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New Post! Jun 03, 2008 @ 07:43:30#31
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rogy said:
I would not laugh too much, since you clearly did not understand
the point. Let's go back to the original: "I don't like to hunt, I don't plan to hunt, and I don't think I ever would want to hunt.

But, that doesn't mean I'm against it. I just wouldn't be able to bring myself to shoot an animal like a deer or even a lion. But some people depend on it for food, they sell meat to support their family. A lot of people depend on it."

So, this is nothing to do with nonhumans doing anything to other
nonhumans. The point is that some humans could justify their
involvement in child porn production for the same reasons given to
justify hunting.

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Ok i see what you mean, people do indeed sell other people for sex and slavery.

Yes there are a lot of things happening against mankind right now in the world and throughout history.

My point about people placing the lives of humans above animals is more about if we was personally faced with the decision. If our home was burning down do you grab your children or your pets? If you are starving hungry, there is no food available, you are in a wilderness but have the ability to make fire and a gun and there is an abundance of rabbits, will hunger force you to shoot a rabbit and eat it?

We are lucky to not face a starving child every day, its the good fortune of where we happen to live. We are not all in war zones faced with genocide, we are not surrounded by a disease that can be cured if only we had the money.

I believe crimes against humankind are mostly done through desperation and greed, but only a small percent of our world population participate in these. I mean its bad enough in the first place and i am fully aware of the trafficking problems and forced prostitution, i dont live in la la land. But when you look at the whole picture overall people treat their own kind better than animals treat each other.

Thanks for that perspective. Its an interesting one.


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New Post! Jun 03, 2008 @ 07:53:44#32
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Never been the hunter type. I'm more of the tree hugger type. Guess my parents force fed me Bambi one too many times or i spent too many years in Washington State. I don't have a problem with Native Americans or people that hunt regulated animals for food instead of sport. Once it becomes a sport so they can mount a corpse on their cabin wall it kind of annoys me. It's their choice and when its legal i can't really say its wrong but its not something i would do.

Don't agree with the Native Americans/Japanese hunting whales. Native Americans were claiming it's a ritual...yeah, it's a ritual back when grocery stores didn't exist and you don't see me burning witches because of old Puritan rituals do you. Also nice try Japanese, trying to say you were hunting those whales off of Iceland for research.


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New Post! Jun 06, 2008 @ 21:01:19#33
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I don't like it. The fact of killing animals makes me sad. But in a way, it has to be done for population control. Like, seeing a deer in the city wouldn't be good.


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New Post! Jun 07, 2008 @ 01:16:45#34
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aceuvclubs said:
Never been the hunter type. I'm more of the tree hugger type. Guess my parents force fed me Bambi one too many times or i spent too many years in Washington State. I don't have a problem with Native Americans or people that hunt regulated animals for food instead of sport. Once it becomes a sport so they can mount a corpse on their cabin wall it kind of annoys me. It's their choice and when its legal i can't really say its wrong but its not something i would do.

Don't agree with the Native Americans/Japanese hunting whales. Native Americans were claiming it's a ritual...yeah, it's a ritual back when grocery stores didn't exist and you don't see me burning witches because of old Puritan rituals do you. Also nice try Japanese, trying to say you were hunting those whales off of Iceland for research.


A tree hugger from Washington? Most people from the Northwest know that if you hug the trees, they'll all die off from fire and competition. The trees will kill off all of the vegetation on the ground, making it impossible for animals to survive. Plus, if you just look at all the trees, you can clearly see that there are plenty of them and the last thing we need to do is "save the trees".


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New Post! Jun 07, 2008 @ 11:53:23#35
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chelsea_59 said:
I don't like it. The fact of killing animals makes me sad. But in a way, it has to be done for population control. Like, seeing a deer in the city wouldn't be good.




Does the human population need controlling too? By the same method?

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New Post! Jun 07, 2008 @ 13:19:41#36
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rogy said:
Does the human population need controlling too? By the same method?

rogy


Nope. We have abortion for that.


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New Post! Jun 07, 2008 @ 18:19:15#37
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chelsea_59 said:
Nope. We have abortion for that.




Not working is it? The human population is now getting to the numbers that some experts say the world cannot feed, even if
everyone was vegetarian.

We already allow thousands to starve to death on a day-to-day
basis while we watch Sex And The City. And we are supposed tp
be the smartest species on the planet. Now if intelligence was
measured by an ability to ive in harmony with the environment, I
wonder where humans would come in that league?

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New Post! Jun 07, 2008 @ 18:23:07#38
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Hunting for food is good
Hunting for sport is bad

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New Post! Jun 07, 2008 @ 18:29:05#39
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rogy said:
Not working is it? The human population is now getting to the numbers that some experts say the world cannot feed, even if
everyone was vegetarian.

We already allow thousands to starve to death on a day-to-day
basis while we watch Sex And The City. And we are supposed tp
be the smartest species on the planet. Now if intelligence was
measured by an ability to ive in harmony with the environment, I
wonder where humans would come in that league?

rogy


Well, you make a good point. But in a sense, I don't think we are the smartest species.

Animals are very intelligent. And they don't cause wars, or global disasters.


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New Post! Jun 07, 2008 @ 18:29:17#40
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i don't think i could really preach the evils of hunting since i eat meat.
therefore i suport the killing of animals for my own benefit.

its also true that organised game hunting in africa has actually helped fund and support the saving of many animals that would now be extinct otherwise.

the thing i find disturbing is the aspect of the mentality of a person that wishes to kill something for fun, as a pastime.

even killing for meat is an unnessecary practice since we could produce vegtables more efficiently than meat, killing for fun strikes me as particularly barbaric and senseless.


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New Post! Jun 07, 2008 @ 18:33:48#41
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Fox hunting = Bad

Fox Hunter hunting = Good


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New Post! Jun 08, 2008 @ 16:26:26#42
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alexkidd said:
i don't think i could really preach the evils of hunting since i eat meat.
therefore i suport the killing of animals for my own benefit.

its also true that organised game hunting in africa has actually helped fund and support the saving of many animals that would now be extinct otherwise.

the thing i find disturbing is the aspect of the mentality of a person that wishes to kill something for fun, as a pastime.

even killing for meat is an unnessecary practice since we could produce vegtables more efficiently than meat, killing for fun strikes me as particularly barbaric and senseless.



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excuse we have for eating flesh is that it tastes nice - and that
is not a morally sufficient reason...

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New Post! Jul 22, 2008 @ 19:31:41#44
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It has now turned into a sport rather than a survival practice.

To hunt now is not necessary.


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New Post! Jul 22, 2008 @ 19:48:30#45
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young_nick said:
Sport hunting's bad.
So is poaching.

Keeping pest population under control is good for the environment though.


I agree, now i live rural i understand why they want it so bad and it is purely to stop over population.


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