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New Post! Apr 11, 2008 @ 07:31:41#16
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matterdaddy84 said:
Yeah, not to mention that the meat is given to locals that would otherwise have no protein, money is paid to the trackers, skinners, packmenand anyone else who works at the hunt camps. There are many many other positive to spots hunting.

I agree, all of the good that african sports hunting does is outweighed by the fact that someone just wants the animals skin.


I have to agree, before i knew anything about it i was against it, but having seen how it works i feel it is actually fairer than farming animals for meat.

People will pay more money to hunt in africa than they would to go on a safari holiday. There is something in human nature that makes man want to hunt, at least this way the cash goes towards the conservation of the animal and the preservation of the community in Africa.

Personally i wouldnt pay to hunt and kill an animal, however i do not object to others doing it under correct supervision and with a decent amount of skill to make a clean kill.


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New Post! Apr 12, 2008 @ 02:14:32#17
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I don't like to hunt, I don't plan to hunt, and I don't think I ever would want to hunt.

But, that doesn't mean I'm against it. I just wouldn't be able to bring myself to shoot an animal like a deer or even a lion. But some people depend on it for food, they sell meat to support their family. A lot of people depend on it.

So hunting-good.


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New Post! Apr 23, 2008 @ 00:45:45#18
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gyrrllll! meat from the market is safe. a hunting animals is for game...

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New Post! May 07, 2008 @ 09:34:43#19
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I watched that program too and have to admit it changed my opinion on a couple of things. If people are going to eat meat i'd rather they went out and killed an animal as and when they needed it, rather than hundreds of thousands of animals being raised on farms every year just to be killed to fill the supermarket shelves and then a lot of that meat gets wasted. That doesn't mean i support hunting though because i don't, i grew up with a father who hunted and took me out hunting! but i could never bring myself to shoot an animal i just didn't have it in me, hence the reason why i chose to become a vegetarian later on in my teenage years.

Reference the tv programme it did shock me that lions, rhino's and various other animals were getting bred to be hunted or "canned hunting" as it's better known and i don't support that at all unfortunately no matter how much one of the guys was saying he was conserving animals at the same time.

Plenty of other people are managing to conserve endangered species without opening up "canned hunting" reserves, but i do understand a lot of these men have opened up their business to earn a living and survive. So even though i don't personally agree with it i still try to remain open minded about Africa being a very different culture to my own. At the end of the day who am i to say what's right or wrong in a different culture, i know i wouldn't put up with anyone trying to come into my country and telling me to change my lifestyle and my values just because they may think they're wrong.

That's just my opinion on the subject though!

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Edited: May 07, 2008 @ 09:46

New Post! Jun 01, 2008 @ 04:27:44#20
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Like everything else in life, hunting is neutral. Whether or not it is a good thing depends on why & how much you do it. Hunting should be okay if you're doing it for survival reasons like feeding, security, or skill progression in the aforementioned two. I've no sympathy nor empathy for those who hunt for any other reason and then get hurt or die from it.

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New Post! Jun 01, 2008 @ 17:03:50#21
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spiderswing432 said:
I don't like to hunt, I don't plan to hunt, and I don't think I ever would want to hunt.

But, that doesn't mean I'm against it. I just wouldn't be able to bring myself to shoot an animal like a deer or even a lion. But some people depend on it for food, they sell meat to support their family. A lot of people depend on it.

So hunting-good.



There appears to be a dreadful lack of morality in your
position. For example, what if we substituted "make violence
pornography involving children" instead of "hunt"?

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New Post! Jun 01, 2008 @ 17:09:25#22
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rogy said:
There appears to be a dreadful lack of morality in your
position. For example, what if we substituted "make violence
pornography involving children" instead of "hunt"?

rogy


You seem to think anything that you dissagree with in relation to killing animals, or whatever as being morally wrong.

Some people think it's morally right.


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New Post! Jun 01, 2008 @ 21:03:47#23
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jmo said:
You seem to think anything that you dissagree with in relation to killing animals, or whatever as being morally wrong.

Some people think it's morally right.



Of course. But that's the idea of an exchange of ideas, no?

You are familiar with Singer's influential text. It was clear
that in the mid-1970s, the idea of animal liberation was even
weirder than it is now - hence his first chapter on different
liberation struggles.

Wasn't Singer claiming that socially-accepted practices were immoral
according to his utilitarian animal welfarist position?

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New Post! Jun 02, 2008 @ 07:51:16#24
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rogy said:
There appears to be a dreadful lack of morality in your
position. For example, what if we substituted "make violence
pornography involving children" instead of "hunt"?

rogy


I think the honest truth is the majority of the world places the lives of humans higher than animals and to most of us the comparison doesnt work. Animals rape each other all the time. Comparing the hunting of game to violent child pornography may work for a handful of people but to the majority its just bizarre. Human life is and always will be valued over that of an animal.


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New Post! Jun 02, 2008 @ 07:57:50#25
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In my opinion hunting is fine if it is for survival and not just for sport. The cows and hogs, chickens etc.. are being used to feed people.

Some people hunt just for the sport and having a moose head on their wall or a fish on a plaque. That's cruel for that purpose and totally uncalled for.

That is a kill for a thrill. The other is a kill for survival.

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New Post! Jun 02, 2008 @ 16:23:56#26
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treebee said:
I think the honest truth is the majority of the world places the lives of humans higher than animals and to most of us the comparison doesnt work. Animals rape each other all the time. Comparing the hunting of game to violent child pornography may work for a handful of people but to the majority its just bizarre. Human life is and always will be valued over that of an animal.



Rape is a human concept - humans can and do rape each other and sexually assault nonhuman animals - but nonhuman animals cannot do it to each other.

Of course most people are brought up to believe that their value
is higher than that of nonhuman animals. Many white people continue
to believe that they are more valuable than people of colour and
many men still regard males superior to females.

This is what animal ethics is all about - asking questions about
our prejudices.

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Edited: June 02, 2008 @ 16:24

New Post! Jun 02, 2008 @ 16:54:03#27
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rogy said:
Rape is a human concept - humans can and do rape each other and sexually assault nonhuman animals - but nonhuman animals cannot do it to each other.

Of course most people are brought up to believe that their value
is higher than that of nonhuman animals. Many white people continue
to believe that they are more valuable than people of colour and
many men still regard males superior to females.

This is what animal ethics is all about - asking questions about
our prejudices.

rogy


Soooo i didnt ever notice animals forcing their young into pornography This is where the comparison is flawed.


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New Post! Jun 02, 2008 @ 22:16:08#28
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treebee said:
Soooo i didnt ever notice animals forcing their young into pornography This is where the comparison is flawed.



I would not laugh too much, since you clearly did not understand
the point. Let's go back to the original: "I don't like to hunt, I don't plan to hunt, and I don't think I ever would want to hunt.

But, that doesn't mean I'm against it. I just wouldn't be able to bring myself to shoot an animal like a deer or even a lion. But some people depend on it for food, they sell meat to support their family. A lot of people depend on it."

So, this is nothing to do with nonhumans doing anything to other
nonhumans. The point is that some humans could justify their
involvement in child porn production for the same reasons given to
justify hunting.

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New Post! Jun 02, 2008 @ 23:20:58#29
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treebee said:
I think the honest truth is the majority of the world places the lives of humans higher than animals and to most of us the comparison doesnt work. Animals rape each other all the time. Comparing the hunting of game to violent child pornography may work for a handful of people but to the majority its just bizarre. Human life is and always will be valued over that of an animal.



Treebee. Been thinking about your claim and I wonder whether it
is really true. Unless you are saying that we don't value human
lives much - and we value nonhuman lives <em>even less.</em>

It does not take long to find reports of humans treating other
humans appallingly. Every day we allow thousands of people to
die of starvation and illness that cost pennies to put right.

How much do we value human lives?
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New Post! Jun 02, 2008 @ 23:33:01#30
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The question is too vague.

"Hunting, good or bad?"

I can't answer with that question.

"Hunting over-populated animals for sport, good or bad?"
I'd say, neither. It is necessary to control their numbers, but it is up to personal preference what method is used. Some people will enjoy hunting them.. some people would rather a more human "culling" method is used by officials.

But culling is brutal and just as inhumane, despite popular belief amongst greenies.

If they're shot.. they're shot, killed, and they're grazing or what ever as normal before they're shot. There's no capturing, or fear, like culling.

To the question..
"Hunting illegally, or hunting endangered animals, good or bad?"
Then obviously bad.

You can't just say "good or bad" for it all like that.


Get your Strength Thru Oi! o/

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