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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:53:12#16
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raditz8526 said:
That's exactly what I think. Don't breed em if you can't feed em.


Thats just rediculous though. When women have children they don't expect the father to just run away, they expect to be able to look after their kids with the father of the children. They don't get pregnant after the man has left them, becouse incase you didnt know, it takes two to create a baby.

I can't believe how selfish your outlook is. Don't you care about your fellow human beings who've done nothing wrong other than have a child. Isn't having children something we should all be entitled to?


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:54:16#17
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raditz8526 said:
That's exactly what I think. Don't breed em if you can't feed em.

Great attitude for you, extremely s**tty and unworkable in the real world.

That type of attitude only leads to greater cla** stratification and a larger, less educated undercla** that your tax dollars have to fund.


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jmo said:
Thats just rediculous though. When women have children they don't expect the father to just run away, they expect to be able to look after their kids with the father of the children. They don't get pregnant after the man has left them, becouse incase you didnt know, it takes two to create a baby.

I can't believe how selfish your outlook is. Don't you care about your fellow human beings who've done nothing wrong other than have a child. Isn't having children something we should all be entitled to?


In a perfect world JMO.. but alot of people dont even care if they have no money and breed, then go down the social and show the baby and say.. "your not going to let him stave" then hand over tax payers money..
He has a point mate.. a very good one..


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:58:31#19
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markfox01 said:
In a perfect world JMO.. but alot of people dont even care if they have no money and breed, then go down the social and show the baby and say.. "your not going to let him stave" then hand over tax payers money..
He has a point mate.. a very good one..


You genuinly think that single parents shouldnt be entitled to Child Tax Credits, free childcare (so incidently, they can go out and work and earn their own money) and the like?

How can people be so un altruistic and so selfish?

I mean I know im more left-wing than the average guy, but i didn't expect so many people to have such a right-wing view.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 17:01:48#20
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In a perfect world JMO.. but alot of people dont even care if they have no money and breed, then go down the social and show the baby and say.. "your not going to let him stave" then hand over tax payers money..
He has a point mate.. a very good one..

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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 17:02:09#21
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jmo said:
You genuinly think that single parents shouldnt be entitled to Child Tax Credits, free childcare (so incidently, they can go out and work and earn their own money) and the like?

How can people be so un altruistic and so selfish?

I mean I know im more left-wing than the average guy, but i didn't expect so many people to have such a right-wing view.


Im right winged on this because i seriously sick of people breeding then taking advantage of a system made for people that have family break down.. and like all things in life it needs to be stopped.

Child tax credits should be only for people under £25k a year and child care should be free across the country.. spend the money on that instead of missiles and make people either work or make something for themselves instead of doing a keith miller..


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 17:03:09#22
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jmo said:
Thats just rediculous though. When women have children they don't expect the father to just run away, they expect to be able to look after their kids with the father of the children. They don't get pregnant after the man has left them, becouse incase you didnt know, it takes two to create a baby.

I can't believe how selfish your outlook is. Don't you care about your fellow human beings who've done nothing wrong other than have a child. Isn't having children something we should all be entitled to?


Having a child is not an entitlement. This country only has three (life, liberty and property), even though some people like to think they have more.

Do I care about other people? Sure I do. I would rather people be self sufficient as opposed to dependent on the government for everything.
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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 17:04:46#23
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Im right winged on this because i seriously sick of people breeding then taking advantage of a system made for people that have family break down.. and like all things in life it needs to be stopped.

Child tax credits should be only for people under £25k a year and child care should be free across the country.. spend the money on that instead of missiles and make people either work or make something for themselves instead of doing a keith miller..


Oh, I thought you meant absolutely no credits for anyone.

A cut off wouldn't be too bad to be honest, some people get them who really don't need them, but if we got rid of them the controversy would be to much. Too many votes would be lost.

As for the spending money on free child care instead of missiles I totally agree with. I think the Trident thing is a total waste of money, our missiles are good enough at the moment, we don't need to waste that much money on defence.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 17:05:48#24
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raditz8526 said:
Having a child is not an entitlement. This country only has three (life, liberty and property), even though some people like to think they have more.

Do I care about other people? Sure I do. I would rather people be self sufficient as opposed to dependent on the government for everything.


Again here here.. well said.. i agree 100% with that..


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 17:07:26#25
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raditz8526 said:
This country only has three (life, liberty and property)

This is wrong. Those are listed in the Declaration of Independence, which is a document with no legal standing whatsoever.

There are lots of entitlements in the US.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 17:07:26#26
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Do I care about other people? Sure I do. I would rather people be self sufficient as opposed to dependent on the government for everything.


But thats unrealistic and is never going to happen. By leaving the people who are entitled to benafits high and dry it will just increase poverty and lead to more and more people who are in poverty leading to a two cla** system. One really rich minority class, and a large majority poor class.

What would happen after that we do not know, though a revolution wouldnt be unfeasable in that sort of situation.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 17:10:10#27
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jmo said:
But thats unrealistic and is never going to happen. By leaving the people who are entitled to benafits high and dry it will just increase poverty and lead to more and more people who are in poverty leading to a two cla** system. One really rich minority class, and a large majority poor class.

What would happen after that we do not know, though a revolution wouldnt be unfeasable in that sort of situation.


Correct your right... but by tackling the ones which are taking the piss.. the system will be less hammered and more money toward education thus stopping this cycle off breed to feed as to put it...

stopping people easy access to money will stop alot of the trouble makers..


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 17:12:16#28
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stopping people easy access to money will stop alot of the trouble makers..

And further disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of children and prove to them that the government doesn't really care much about them.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 17:13:11#29
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And further disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of children and prove to them that the government doesn't really care much about them.


its tit for tat IMO... either that or keep a bigger generation of single parents..


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 17:15:19#30
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But you have to look at what percentage of the people are truly taking advantage of the system as compared to the percentage who actually need that money. You could reduce the assistance to effectively eliminate the few moochers at the cost of the many many more who actually needed it.


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