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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:18:39#1
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Just been reading this article i ripped from another site (see Below) and it got me thinking...

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Men Lose Out Again Under Labour Gordon Brown's Budget - probably only of interest to Brits.

Taxpayers will start paying at 20p in the pound, effectively doubling the rate of tax for those earning less than £15,000 a year.

However, more money will be on offer for single mothers.

The net result of the budget, therefore, is that men who are on lower earning levels will pay more in tax, while single mothers will receive a greater handout. This will encourage more single-motherhood on two fronts.

1. Single mothers will be given bigger handouts.

2. The earnings of men will be worth less to them.

And this, coupled with the recent decision to reduce the pay of men in order to pay higher rates to women who do easier jobs (e.g. Hundreds of thousands of men face salary cuts of up to £15,000 to fund increases for women staff) is almost guaranteed to generate significantly more family and relationship breakdowns.

In essence, the skills, the talents and the labours of men are continually being purposely and unjustifiably devalued.

Our society - and, hence, women - can never benefit from this, because it is men, rather than women, who are the most productive, the most creative and the most progressive members of it.

And, of course, this is yet another phase in one of those never-ending cycles wherein women/mothers are paid more for not working - which will encourage more women not to work - unsurprisingly - and this reduction in women going out to work will then be used to justify claims that more money is needed to encourage more women/mothers to go out to work! In other words, more money for women and less for men - no matter what the women choose to do!

And this is why so many men are nowadays saying to women, "You get all the benefits, so you can do all the chores. I shall go and watch the football." And this is why they are also saying, "This society is arranged to suit you, not me, so you can all go and fu#k yourselves."

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But do not worry too much Boys, because there is no hope that this sorry state of affairs will continue.

No.

Hope.

At.

All.

The politicians and their high-faluting cronies in government and the media are losing power hand-over-fist at the moment - and the people are gradually waking up to their self-serving shenanigans.

Even some of the women are awakening!



It made me think and made me wonder, it is slightly paranoid in nature but do you think it rings some truth??


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:24:03#2
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"This will encourage more single-motherhood on two fronts"



Uh huh.

"In essence, the skills, the talents and the labours of men are continually being purposely and unjustifiably devalued."

Hilarious. In a society where women make less than men doing the same job we have nutjobs bitching about men not getting a fair shake. Give me a break.

Men make far more money and have far more economic opportunities.

"Our society - and, hence, women - can never benefit from this, because it is men, rather than women, who are the most productive, the most creative and the most progressive members of it."

I bet princessbubblegum will come along and agree with that.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:26:33#3
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I dont think it does have any truth.. at all.. but the only bit that concerns me is more money to single prents rather than encouraging them to stay in relationships ie tax cuts for families still together..


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:29:01#4
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i just watched this movie in my sociology cla** today about gender.

It is weird how everyone views on what men should get or what women should get. I think that there are men also out there who are having to be single parents just as well as women.

And i dont understand why there are women out there who scream for equal rights and then run at the first sign of actual hard work.

Justins mom is a 3rd grade teacher, and she told us about this girl she had in her cla** that didnt care about passing the standardized test that we have in texas. And when she tried to get her to study and what not, the girl told her that she only had to have x amount of children to get x amount of money from the government.

It is shocking what the children we are raising are thinking about.

i believe that it is hard for a single mom or dad to raise children and make enough money to support them but i think there should be some kind of regulations as it who gets what money and how much they get.



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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:31:46#5
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We studied the new budget in class. To be honest it doesnt make a difference to most people, but it will be good for single parents (Not just single mothers may I hasten to add, the fact that most single parents are females isn't the governments fault).

The people who will be out of pocket through this are the types who are likely to become big earners, young office workers and the like.

The budget is pretty small to be honest, it just apears big due to the "Tax Cuts".

Though those who need it most will be paying less. It just so happens that most of those who need it most are female.

Gender inequality is extremely high in this country, im glad the government is trying to do something about it. About bloody time I say, im a little sick of some of "New" Labours policies - though i will vote for labour, gotta be better than the Tories - so it's good to see them do good at times.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:32:53#6
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markfox01 said:
I dont think it does have any truth.. at all.. but the only bit that concerns me is more money to single prents rather than encouraging them to stay in relationships ie tax cuts for families still together..

I'm sure they do have those. They have them here.

But the thing is that there are a lot of mothers who are single - often because the father is a dirtbag, abuser, deadbeat, loser, etc. Single mothers have it *really tough* and the ones who genuinely try hard still have tons of trouble just making ends meet by themselves.

IMO we shouldn't be "helping" those people by trying to push them into relationships for economic reasons. Tax cuts and so forth are going to be a big help to them.

Think of the single mom who works two low-wage jobs trying to feed her two kids after their dad disappeared. Doesn't she deserve some help?


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:34:56#7
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"Our society - and, hence, women - can never benefit from this, because it is men, rather than women, who are the most productive, the most creative and the most progressive members of it."

This guy is sexist, so I have little regard for his opinion.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:37:51#8
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jonnythan said:

Think of the single mom who works two low-wage jobs trying to feed her two kids after their dad disappeared. Doesn't she deserve some help?


Very true, whilst there will be some people wishing to abuse the system, most don't. And for those who do it's really stupid becouse being a lone parent isn't easy, even with government assistance.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:42:02#9
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jmo said:
Very true, whilst there will be some people wishing to abuse the system, most don't. And for those who do it's really stupid becouse being a lone parent isn't easy, even with government assistance.


I was just about to say the same thing.. there are Babie factories out there wrecking it for everyone... this is why alot of people have such a low opinion on single parents.. then theres the government study saying that children are dis-advantaged in sigle families..

But the thing is JMO on reation to an earlier comment, the law sees the main parent as female.. so it is the governments fault that theres more single parents..


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:44:48#10
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jonnythan said:

Think of the single mom who works two low-wage jobs trying to feed her two kids after their dad disappeared. Doesn't she deserve some help?


Need help, yes. Deserve help, no. Just because she chose to breed with a dead beat doesn't entitle her to anything.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:46:27#11
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markfox01 said:
But the thing is JMO on reation to an earlier comment, the law sees the main parent as female.. so it is the governments fault that theres more single parents..


It isn't. The reason most single parents are female is becouse men are far more likely to leave or desert their family. The law states that if both parents wish to have custody, and there are no legal reasons why either shouldn't then the child gets the choice.

I've seen so much evidence this year (one of my topics in MS is Gender Studies) proving that women are more likely to be lone parents due to the men not wanting to give up jobs, leaving kids and not wishing to have custody of kids.

My own dad f**ked off for five years to another country, that wasn't becouse he wasn't allowed custody, but becouse he didnt want it.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:47:28#12
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I was a single parent for a short period, and what they call "assistance" isn't even enough to support a single person, much less a mother and a child. The max given to a single mother with 1 child was $427 a month. That isn't even enough to rent a room in someone else's house, not to mention food, clothes, transportation, daycare... Even when I had a fulltime job at $9 an hour the cost of daycare ate up more than half my take-home pay, and the rest wasn't enough even to pay my rent. But because I had a full time job, I didn't qualify for assistance. At one point I was living in a motel on credit cards. Eventually I had no choice but to go back to my husband for money. The only person who would call that living rich off the system is someone who has never tried to do it before.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:48:00#13
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raditz8526 said:
Need help, yes. Deserve help, no. Just because she chose to breed with a dead beat doesn't entitle her to anything.


So you'd just have single parents not entitled to any money other than what little they can make whilst looking after children and having to feed them?

If you think thats possible your crazy, if you think thats alright then your heartless.


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jmo said:
So you'd just have single parents not entitled to any money other than what little they can make whilst looking after children and having to feed them?

If you think thats possible your crazy, if you think thats alright then your heartless.


That's exactly what I think. Don't breed em if you can't feed em.


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New Post! Mar 23, 2007 @ 16:52:20#15
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jmo said:
It isn't. The reason most single parents are female is becouse men are far more likely to leave or desert their family. The law states that if both parents wish to have custody, and there are no legal reasons why either shouldn't then the child gets the choice.

I've seen so much evidence this year (one of my topics in MS is Gender Studies) proving that women are more likely to be lone parents due to the men not wanting to give up jobs, leaving kids and not wishing to have custody of kids.

My own dad f**ked off for five years to another country, that wasn't becouse he wasn't allowed custody, but becouse he didnt want it.


Sorrry i slipped what i said then i ment more single mothers then men... But there are women out there having kids just to get on the social..

and from a Female MD of a comapny recently told me she doesnt like employing woman because they are a risk and less focused with there work.. I could worjk out if she was a really woman from that statement or a butch lesbian, but its a point ive heard in business at the top end alot..


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