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MingLee
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Join Date: Jan 2009 | curiouskat said:
In my own humble opinion, civilisation can be defined by any kind of community living where men work together for the greater good of its people. The Indus valley tribes had a community of buildings with sophisticated sewerage systems, they grew crops and their artwork was all but destroyed by the invading Persians, but is known to exist.
You have an interesting definition of civilization. I think the professorial types might note that lots of organisms cooperate, for instance termites, and men, for instance Australopithecines (Australopithecites??) may have cooperated before they were human. The professors might insist that civilization means cooperating at a fixed location over decades or centuries. I know of an archaeological site in the Czech Republic that is a village which dates from some 28,000 years ago. It's supposed to be the oldest known village. So by your definition, it might be the beginning of civilization. I tried to google it to find the name, but Eastern Europe has so many archaeological sites; I couldn't find it. And, people lived in Australia before they lived in Europe, so the professors might find a similar site in Australia. |  | |
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sugarflyguy
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Join Date: Sep 2008 | MingLee said:
What happened in the Forty-Fourth Century? Aluminum, aspirin, Atomic Theory, banks, brass buttons, bicycles, canned food, capacitors, Civil War with 30 million dead, cholera, clean water, communism, corporations, cotton, democracy, electric motors, factories, fossil fuel, hot water, ice, Jane Austin, Krakatoa west of Java, matches, Mars' moons, natural selection, paint, plastic, radio, railroads, rubber, sewing machines, soap, socialism, soda, steamships, steel, sulfuric acid, Susan B. Anthony, telegraph, telephone, typewriters, urbanization, vegetable oil, wall paper, Wall Street, whiskey, x-rays, yellow fever, Zionism, . .
As far as I am concerned, this year could be the 2 millionth century, being that the World is 4 billion years old
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MingLee
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Join Date: Jan 2009 | Well, 4 times ten to the ninth power divided by 2 times ten to the second power is 2 times ten to the seventh power, which is the 20 millionth century. Sorry to be such a squint. For a definition of squint see web page . Also, please note the typo in the webpage, in which who he calls "squints" should be whom he calls "squints." Again, sorry to be such a squint.
You have an interesting new picture, Barrels of the stuff. That's a totally cool title because every kind of stuff used to be shipped in wooden barrels. One of my tutors gave me a Wall Street Journal article about how whiskey distillers may be the only manufacturers of barrels, and after they use the barrels to flavor whiskey, they sell them to vineyards for the production of wine or maybe other distillers for whatever distillers do. My friend, the Old Foggy's wife says that when she was a girl (1950's New York City) when her mother would send her to the store (First Avenue and Fifteenth Street), on the way she would stop at a delicatessen to buy a pickle in a big wooden barrel. Her mother-in-law tells me that she, the mother-in-law, lived near a barrel factory in Missouri in the 1930's where the Sugar Trust (now part of Tate and Lyle) made barrels for shipping sugar. The first petroleum shipped from the United States to Europe went in barrels, circa 1860. American history books talk about how rum, sugar, and molasses were shipped in barrels during the colonial period. The Wikipedia says that Gaulic Celts invented barrels. Barrels are a barrel of fun, that is, if one is a squint. | | | | Edited: June 21, 2009 @ 01:12 |  |
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curiouskat
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Join Date: May 2009 | MingLee said:
You have an interesting definition of civilization. I think the professorial types might note that lots of organisms cooperate, for instance termites, and men, for instance Australopithecines (Australopithecites??) may have cooperated before they were human. The professors might insist that civilization means cooperating at a fixed location over decades or centuries. I know of an archaeological site in the Czech Republic that is a village which dates from some 28,000 years ago. It's supposed to be the oldest known village. So by your definition, it might be the beginning of civilization. I tried to google it to find the name, but Eastern Europe has so many archaeological sites; I couldn't find it. And, people lived in Australia before they lived in Europe, so the professors might find a similar site in Australia.
Hehe well my dear, i have been told 
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MingLee
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Join Date: Jan 2009 | curiouskat said:
Can i add this to my other statement? hehe
A civilization is a society or culture group normally defined as a complex society characterized by the practice of agriculture and settlement in towns and cities. Compared with other cultures, members of a civilization are commonly organized into a diverse division of labor and an intricate social hierarchy.
The professors might like that definition. Two more or less contemporary sites, Çatal Hüyük in Turkey and Jericho in Palestine, could show how civilization is a different form of human organization. The professors refer to the one in Turkey as neolithic. The professors call the one at Jericho civilized. Both places had large numbers of people and division of labor, but Jericho must have had more central planning.
One of my tutors says that the Indus Valley cities, before the Aryans arrived, could have been the paragon of central planning. He says the streets are laid out as if a single city planner had control over the zoning laws. | | | | Edited: June 21, 2009 @ 01:14 | |
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curiouskat
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30/F/Adelaide, Australia
Join Date: May 2009 | MingLee said:
The professors might like that definition. Two more or less contemporary sites, Çatal Hüyük in Turkey and Jericho in Palestine, could show how civilization is a different form of human organization. The professors refer to the one in Turkey as neolithic. The professors call the one at Jericho civilized. Both places had large numbers of people and division of labor, but Jericho must have had more central planning.
One of my tutors says that the Indus Valley cities, before the Aryans arrived, could have been the paragon of central planning. He says the streets are laid out as if a single city planner had control over the zoning laws.
You are one clever little lady!
Know too many big words for your age!
I found the stuff i read on the Indus valley intriguing.
Do you know if they have finished excavations on the site yet?
The book i read was written in the 90s..
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MingLee
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13/F/Anaheim, California
Join Date: Jan 2009 | curiouskat said:
You are one clever little lady!
Know too many big words for your age!
I found the stuff i read on the Indus valley intriguing.
Do you know if they have finished excavations on the site yet?
The book i read was written in the 90s..
Yes, I know. My friends call me The Squint, but some of them are squinty, too.
I know about the Indus Valley because I read it in school text book. The Indus people were literate, but the language has not been decoded. They traded with the Persian Gulf culture. That detail comes from a comparison of pottery. The layout of the streets suggests very strong central government. So called Indoeuropeans overran the Indus Valley about the time of the Trojan War or the Battle of Jericho. The Tamal language in Southern India could be related to the prearyan Indus Valley's language. That's the gist of what it said in the textbook, and it's not much different from a World History Book I read, which was written in the 1960's.
I don't know anything about the archaeology, except to say they archaeologists must not have learned much in the last forty years.
The Genographic Project (something interesting to google) would have information about the prehistoric Indus Valley. It's a mapping of genes versus location. I saw a documentary on one of the squinty television channels. The current theory is that modern humans left Africa about 60,000 years ago. They traveled along southern Asia to Southeast Asia where they split with one group going toward Siberia and one group going to Australia.
One might speculate that the Indus Valley people were related to the original emigrants from Africa. The Aryans might have been related to their cousins who had gone east to Indochina, north into Siberia, east to Europe, and South back into India as well as becoming Celts, Romans, Greeks, Armenians, and Persians. | | | |
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curiouskat
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30/F/Adelaide, Australia
Join Date: May 2009 | MingLee said:
Thanks to whoever gave me the kudo, and he/she is correct. I'm not as clever as I seem because Google makes philosophers of us all; and living a house full of squinty adults, who can recommend googles, or books which haven't yet found the internet, helps as well.
LOL, it was me the kudo came from hun, and i was refering to the fact you have inspired me to google the geographical group you mentioned, not your intelligence at all!!
Google is the library of the modern world and so many still dont bother to use it, your still smarter than the majority xoxoxox
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MingLee
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13/F/Anaheim, California
Join Date: Jan 2009 | curiouskat said:
LOL, it was me the kudo came from hun, and i was refering to the fact you have inspired me to google the geographical group you mentioned, not your intelligence at all!!
Google is the library of the modern world and so many still dont bother to use it, your still smarter than the majority xoxoxox
This is totally cool.  Finally someone who's willing to use the words not and intelligence in the same sentence. My mother will love it. 
Google is a generic word for search engine. I don't know if it has become a generic English word like Coke, which is generic for cola flavored fizzy water, or Xerox, which is generic for a copy or to copy. Maybe it could be an international word like coffee or taxi.
The world has many search engines. Besides Google, my friends use Yahoo and Ask. The really cool information is in private databases like academic databases or newspaper databases. Sometimes a google (or yahoo or ask) can find information inside a private database, and database will offer the information for a fee. To access the information, one can pay the fee, or if a library subscribes to the database, then the information is available to the public. Sometimes search engines like Google don't find information in the private databases. I think that that the Wall Street Journal and Moody's databases might be examples, but even there some of the information has become available. Some of the New York Times archive information, which may have initially been only available through the newspaper database, is now available through the public search engines. | | | | Edited: June 21, 2009 @ 14:19 | |
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curiouskat
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30/F/Adelaide, Australia
Join Date: May 2009 | MingLee said:
This is totally cool. Finally someone who's willing to use the words not and intelligence in the same sentence. My mother will love it.
Google is a generic word for search engine. I don't know if it has become a generic English word like Coke, which is generic for cola flavored fizzy water, or Xerox, which is generic for a copy or to copy. Maybe it could be an international word like coffee or taxi.
The world has many search engines. Besides Google, my friends use Yahoo and Ask. The really cool information is in private databases like academic databases or newspaper databases. Sometimes a google (or yahoo or ask) can find information inside a private database, and database will offer the information for a fee. To access the information, one can pay the fee, or if a library subscribes to the database, then the information is available to the public. Sometimes search engines like Google don't find information in the private databases. I think that that the Wall Street Journal and Moody's databases might be examples, but even there some of the information has become available. Some of the New York Times archive information, which may have initially been only available through the newspaper database, is now available through the public search engines.
You are delightful!
My kids need friends like you.
My daughter is the same age as you and has about a third of your knowledge, but shhh, dont tell her i said that!
She could use your insight,lol
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curiouskat
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30/F/Adelaide, Australia
Join Date: May 2009 | MingLee said:
Thank you.
Pictures of Harappa, an ancient city in the Indus Valley. Perhaps not the oldest, but it is one that American history books always mention.
Edit: Item #22 says that excavation is on going.
Ahh thankyou.
As i said earlier the book i read on it was written in the 90s and i wondered if current research had pushed it out of the 'oldest' genre.
I am curious (as the screename suggests!) as to what is considered the oldest then.
When i was in school, popular thought had the Babylonians as the oldest civilisation. But that was only 5,000 yrs or so ago if memory serves me.
I am about to start studies again, and history is one of my chosen lessons. Getting up to date on this would prove very handy atm.
Not only was my last schooling over 10 years ago, but my memory has become fuzzy with age!
I have also found that my lessons in school tended to be a tiny bit biased!
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