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GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#1New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 17:57:59
Fellow believers. You say you are saved and non-believers go to hell. Well, ----

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

You tell those who do not believe as you do, that because of their non-beliefs, that they are damned to a fate inferior to yours. Hell in fact.

That belief has made believers, non-believers and those of other religions war against each other for all of this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3yJomUhs0g

I think we should bury the hatchet, soonest.

If the religious system believers like you preached is superior, all you would need do to win world support is have your side walk its talk. You and your friends are not making that effort and we can all see that you are not superior in any way. If you did and showed your worth, our collectively seeing the benefits would give your religion, all the Abrahamic cults that is, the oneness it craves.

Showing your effectiveness is all you need do to silence the non-believers and massively win them over. You have not done so and Secularism is now firmly entrenched in the world.

The Abrahamic cults know that to follow Jesus is impossible so they work to enrich themselves and do not even attempt to end poverty. Jesus’ mission. Everyone sees this and I have to wonder if the old perverts infesting church hierarchies are worth our resources.

Secularism on the other hand has taken 1 billion souls out of poverty in the last twenty years and forecasts another billion souls being raised in the next twenty years, ---- in spite of the wasted resources of rich religions and various warring political and religious factions.

Myths and fairy tales like the one above are only good if we take the good and recognize why it is good. Judge not is given to indicate that to judge is to put yourself above God.

When you and other believers, me included, say that we are saved and others are not, --- we are putting our judgement into God’s mouth. Shame on us.

To those who speak for God, a God demonstrably based on a myth, I say, regardless of what you call yourself, we are all named in this quote.

See it? See your label?

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

I think the various religions should bury the hatchet. Don't you?

Regards
DL
someone_else_again On May 20, 2021
Really. Not a dude.





, Washington
#2New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 18:02:10
@GreatestIam2 Said


I think the various religions should bury the hatchet. Don't you?

Regards
DL



Depends on where they bury it, I reckon.
DorkySupergirl On November 02, 2017




, Canada
#3New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 18:52:30
@someone_else_again Said

Depends on where they bury it, I reckon.



I would love to bury the hatchet but first you must take it out of my back. Good response I find when someone asks to bury the hatchet.
JR_Sanford On August 02, 2017




Portland (St. Johns), Oregon
#4New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 19:28:27
@GreatestIam2 Said

Fellow believers. You say you are saved and non-believers go to hell. Well, ----

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

You tell those who do not believe as you do, that because of their non-beliefs, that they are damned to a fate inferior to yours. Hell in fact.

That belief has made believers, non-believers and those of other religions war against each other for all of this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3yJomUhs0g

I think we should bury the hatchet, soonest.

If the religious system believers like you preached is superior, all you would need do to win world support is have your side walk its talk. You and your friends are not making that effort and we can all see that you are not superior in any way. If you did and showed your worth, our collectively seeing the benefits would give your religion, all the Abrahamic cults that is, the oneness it craves.

Showing your effectiveness is all you need do to silence the non-believers and massively win them over. You have not done so and Secularism is now firmly entrenched in the world.

The Abrahamic cults know that to follow Jesus is impossible so they work to enrich themselves and do not even attempt to end poverty. Jesus’ mission. Everyone sees this and I have to wonder if the old perverts infesting church hierarchies are worth our resources.

Secularism on the other hand has taken 1 billion souls out of poverty in the last twenty years and forecasts another billion souls being raised in the next twenty years, ---- in spite of the wasted resources of rich religions and various warring political and religious factions.

Myths and fairy tales like the one above are only good if we take the good and recognize why it is good. Judge not is given to indicate that to judge is to put yourself above God.

When you and other believers, me included, say that we are saved and others are not, --- we are putting our judgement into God’s mouth. Shame on us.

To those who speak for God, a God demonstrably based on a myth, I say, regardless of what you call yourself, we are all named in this quote.

See it? See your label?

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

I think the various religions should bury the hatchet. Don't you?

Regards
DL


I do not believe that there is a separate entity of "God". I believe that The Creator (God) is everything, everywhere. I do not believe that there is a Heaven or Hell. I believe that those are man made terms to install fear in us and foster control over the masses. I believe that we are all ONE and need to learn the power of Love for us to get to the next realm of our existence (as One).

J.R.
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#5New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 19:44:43
@JR_Sanford Said

I do not believe that there is a separate entity of "God". I believe that The Creator (God) is everything, everywhere. I do not believe that there is a Heaven or Hell. I believe that those are man made terms to install fear in us and foster control over the masses. I believe that we are all ONE and need to learn the power of Love for us to get to the next realm of our existence (as One).

J.R.



Was there a previous realm of existence?
GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#6New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 19:48:08
@someone_else_again Said

Depends on where they bury it, I reckon.


Indeed. They are conditioned to hate and it may be hard to convert to a loving stance.

The problem now is that they have begun to love to hate.

They demand punishment for others be they good people or not.

Regards
DL
someone_else_again On May 20, 2021
Really. Not a dude.





, Washington
#7New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 19:50:57
@GreatestIam2 Said

Indeed. They are conditioned to hate and it may be hard to convert to a loving stance.

The problem now is that they have begun to love to hate.

They demand punishment for others be they good people or not.

Regards
DL



Exactly who is "they?"
GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#8New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 19:52:00
@JR_Sanford Said

I do not believe that there is a separate entity of "God". I believe that The Creator (God) is everything, everywhere. I do not believe that there is a Heaven or Hell. I believe that those are man made terms to install fear in us and foster control over the masses. I believe that we are all ONE and need to learn the power of Love for us to get to the next realm of our existence (as One).

J.R.


Rhetoric.

If we love everyone then we love no one in a special way. A great loss that.

I think we should be more like bible God on this and love some while hating others.

If God can't or wont live by his own rules then neither should we if we are to follow him.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#9New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 19:53:01
@someone_else_again Said

Exactly who is "they?"


Believers who believe in a hell for those not of their ilk.

Regards
DL
someone_else_again On May 20, 2021
Really. Not a dude.





, Washington
#10New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 19:57:13
@GreatestIam2 Said

Believers who believe in a hell for those not of their ilk.

Regards
DL



I think there is a flaw in your comment there. Believers who believe it are not the same as believers who want it. There is a big difference, don't you think?
The_Judge On September 17, 2013

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Your city, United Kingdom
#11New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 21:47:35
@someone_else_again Said

I think there is a flaw in your comment there. Believers who believe it are not the same as believers who want it. There is a big difference, don't you think?


What I cant grasp, is you dont believe in it, why let it bother you.

If you dont believe in hell, why does it matter that someone thinks your going to goto hell.

If you believe there is a hell, then dont do things that will mean you go there.
JR_Sanford On August 02, 2017




Portland (St. Johns), Oregon
#12New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 22:14:50
@GreatestIam2 Said

Rhetoric.

If we love everyone then we love no one in a special way. A great loss that.

I think we should be more like bible God on this and love some while hating others.

If God can't or wont live by his own rules then neither should we if we are to follow him.

Regards
DL


There is a difference between spiritual love (like you love your best friend or grandmother) and passionate love where there is heart felt emotion involved.

Rules are man made. That would be a rule of thumb. Now "laws" are universal. The law of gravity for instance.

J.R.
someone_else_again On May 20, 2021
Really. Not a dude.





, Washington
#13New Post! Sep 06, 2013 @ 22:52:54
@The_Judge Said

What I cant grasp, is you dont believe in it, why let it bother you.

If you dont believe in hell, why does it matter that someone thinks your going to goto hell.

If you believe there is a hell, then dont do things that will mean you go there.



Are you actually addressing me? Because that's not what I was getting at.
GreenAppleKing On April 23, 2015

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, United States (general)
#14New Post! Sep 07, 2013 @ 00:16:15
@GreatestIam2 Said

Fellow believers.



I interpret this as a salutation to like-minded peers.

So, what are we believing today?
Cpat92 On May 16, 2021
It's all or nothing





Lauderhill, Florida
#15New Post! Sep 07, 2013 @ 00:49:29
@GreatestIam2 Said

Fellow believers. You say you are saved and non-believers go to hell. Well, ----

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

You tell those who do not believe as you do, that because of their non-beliefs, that they are damned to a fate inferior to yours. Hell in fact.

That belief has made believers, non-believers and those of other religions war against each other for all of this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3yJomUhs0g

I think we should bury the hatchet, soonest.

If the religious system believers like you preached is superior, all you would need do to win world support is have your side walk its talk. You and your friends are not making that effort and we can all see that you are not superior in any way. If you did and showed your worth, our collectively seeing the benefits would give your religion, all the Abrahamic cults that is, the oneness it craves.

Showing your effectiveness is all you need do to silence the non-believers and massively win them over. You have not done so and Secularism is now firmly entrenched in the world.

The Abrahamic cults know that to follow Jesus is impossible so they work to enrich themselves and do not even attempt to end poverty. Jesus’ mission. Everyone sees this and I have to wonder if the old perverts infesting church hierarchies are worth our resources.

Secularism on the other hand has taken 1 billion souls out of poverty in the last twenty years and forecasts another billion souls being raised in the next twenty years, ---- in spite of the wasted resources of rich religions and various warring political and religious factions.

Myths and fairy tales like the one above are only good if we take the good and recognize why it is good. Judge not is given to indicate that to judge is to put yourself above God.

When you and other believers, me included, say that we are saved and others are not, --- we are putting our judgement into God’s mouth. Shame on us.

To those who speak for God, a God demonstrably based on a myth, I say, regardless of what you call yourself, we are all named in this quote.

See it? See your label?

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

I think the various religions should bury the hatchet. Don't you?

Regards
DL


You lost me. I'm sorry, but can you please sum this up for me, or dumb it down. I'm a believer in Christ, but I don't believe that only non believers are going to Hell.
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