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 Mar 31, 2008 @ 11:08:49 | #16 | amish
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Join Date: Feb 2008 | treebee said:
If its me or the bunny,
but it's not you or the bunny, that's the thing. it's almost never you or the bunny. if you use organic toothpaste, basically no one needs to get it in their eyes to see if it's safe. and there are lots of products we know aren't safe when misused. most of them, really.
i got a particular brand of shampoo in my eyes (incredibly little) once and i was in pain for days. i stopped using that brand. i'm sure they used animal testing, and it made no difference.
in the old days people used baking soda and a washcloth. we torture bunnies in the name of progress, and you'd think "torture bunnies" was just a funny hyperbolic cliche, but seriously, we do it with very little reason, when there is almost no need to. it's really not about you or the bunny, it's about 5 bucks or 10, that's the reality of it.
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| Mar 31, 2008 @ 11:27:41 | #23 | amish
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Join Date: Feb 2008 | treebee said:
I care more about other things, on my list of what is wrong with the world, animal testing is not near the top.
an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere. you link to a site to fight breast cancer, i talk about why animal testing is not just unethical but often unnecessary. what's the connection? both are often caused by an economical desire to expose ourselves to dangerous chemicals. maybe you could fight both more effectively if you knew what you were talking about.
either way, you tell me one cause is pointless because people don't give a s**t, while promoting another that requires people to give a s**t. go figure that one? you're forgetting the same argument that makes animals not matter makes women not matter, at least in a patriarchal society. we don't have breasts, so why should we care? men are more important, blah blah blah, that's just the way it is. rather glib outlook, wouldn't you say?
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| Mar 31, 2008 @ 11:31:32 | #26 | treebee
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Join Date: Oct 2005 | amish said:
an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere. you link to a site to fight breast cancer, i talk about why animal testing is not just unethical but often unnecessary. what's the connection? both are often caused by an economical desire to expose ourselves to dangerous chemicals. maybe you could fight both more effectively if you knew what you were talking about.
either way, you tell me one cause is pointless because people don't give a s**t, while promoting another that requires people to give a s**t. go figure that one? you're forgetting the same argument that makes animals not matter makes women not matter, at least in a patriarchal society. we don't have breasts, so why should we care? men are more important, blah blah blah, that's just the way it is. rather glib outlook, wouldn't you say?
now i just plain dont understand what you are on about. Bye 
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| Apr 01, 2008 @ 19:54:21 | #30 | doubtingthomas
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animals= lower forms of life we can test on them to help ourselves
I agree 100%.
I think of myself a very moral and just person. My morality and sence of justice goes as far as my fellow man/woman, then stops.
Animals are living property. The same as "living" tree in my front yard. If that tree needs to be cut down for me to park my car, its going to happen. My lawn is also a living thing, I'm sure if given the choice it would like to grow free and random though out my yard. It won't, because I will cut that s**t if its not perfectly square.
Grass, trees and sadly the fluffy test bunny in the corner are all "lower life forms".
Humans have developed over time a sence of empathy that lets us look at a sick person and feel a sence of pity and emotion. This is a good thing, its what makes humans the great creatures we are. At some point humans carried this form of empathy from people to, animals and even trees.
What is the tree feeling right now.. ?
What is the fluffy bunny with organic tooth paste in his eye feeling right now... ?
My personal feeling on this subject is, money. The more money people have the more they care about stupid crap because important things are already taken care of for them. They have a deep need to care for something beyond and greater then themselfs.
I have traveled to Mexico and serounding countries a couple of times. What shocked me when I first saw it was, how they treated thier pets. They have a very diffrent veiwpoint on animals then my country. I can't speak for every single person in those areas but from the people I meet. Animals are thier for food and thier own amusement. If it ment kicking the dog out of the way because he was blocking the door, the dog got kicked. The dog owner just had other things on his mind, then wondering how the dog felt when he was kicked. The well being of his family was on his list of things he should care about.
When you come back to this country, kicking a dog is tabboo. Some nut cases put the pets well being above themselfs. I read one time 2 people where burned to death, when they ran into a buring building to rescue thier trapped pet.
I'm making a guess that when people have suffecent secruity in thier life style, they start caring about things and creatures that don't really matter to thier own personal survival.
We can call it a side affect of a overly active sence of empathy. But if given the choice between people not caring at all and caring too much, I would choose the caring too much.
And on a side note "organic tooth paste?" Name a tooth paste that isn't organic.
This might help you.
Definition of "organic" -----noting or pertaining to a cla** of chemical compounds that formerly comprised only those existing in or derived from plants or animals, but that now includes all other compounds of carbon.
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