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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 14:45:02#76
jonnythan

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Eh, don't even bother.

He's just trying to make himself feel less guilty for doing nothing whatsoever by taking pot shots at people who *do* help.

He just wants to knock Bono down a peg or two so that he doesn't look so far away.


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:16:15#77
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yeah, well as far as i'm concerned i've tride to keep this as a debate about something...and the whole thing, not through my fault has just got too s**tty and personal,so f**k it...


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:21:42#78
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cduck...you have not kept this debate about any one thing. Your posts are erratic and by your own admission, at times drunken.


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:31:46#79
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Yeah, well i'd doubt theres anyone going to admit to being in anyway beyond pefection and absolubtely wonderful...anyway, wahtever i did try at least to get it back to a debate about...
if, lets' say, Bono son was starving to death he wouldn't go on stage and sing because he would be too concerened, he'd care too much about his son to do so...now obviously Guggi Q isn't going to starve to death 'cause his dads...so let's say Guggi Q is lost in a desert and needs rescuing then...Bono wld. care about that so much that he couldn't go on stage and perform, something he's admitted to enjoying. So theres a difference between caring for loved ones and for strangers and it seems to me that that difference renders the idea of caring for strangers somewhat suspect, shall we say!
Please try and stick to saying why that caring for strangers isn't rendered suspest...rather than my motives for thinkig the thing in the first place or whatever...that's not the point...although the whole thing got started 'cause i put my point too cynically, thats why i tried to put it more straightforwardly!


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:33:04#80
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Isn't this all a bit silly really?


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:35:38#81
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Quite.


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:35:39#82
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If going on stage was the only thing he could do to find his kid lost in the desert then damn right he would


That's not something i'd dispute but it's not relevant to my arguement...cause the point is he cld. go and try and find Guggi Q...which he wld. do rather than go on stage!But what he wldn't do is go on stage knowing Guggi Q cld. be saved...like he does with strangers!!


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:39:00#83
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Well treeby, i'm interested in the idea and will at least try and be persuaded that the fact someone can enjoy themselves while strangers are suffering doesn't mean that they fundamentally don't care,even if at other times they act like they do...or even in some way do care!


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:41:07#84
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cduck said:
Well treeby, i'm interested in the idea and will at least try and be persuaded that the fact someone can enjoy themselves while strangers are suffering doesn't mean that they fundamentally don't care,even if at other times they act like they do...or even in some way do care!


well yes, people have charity galas and sports events and balls and have a great time even though the reason they are there is to help the less fortunate.


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:43:03#85
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Yes, but surely if you really cared about something you wouldn't be able to enjoy yourself...That's my point.


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:44:49#86
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cduck said:
Yes, but surely if you really cared about something you wouldn't be able to enjoy yourself...That's my point.


Ok well take for example the women's cancer charity run, would it be bad if they had fun doing it? Even though they are running to raise money in the memory of or in the name of someone very close who has cancer.


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:52:39#87
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That's not the same thing 'cause it's about someone who's close to them...but i can only ans that by saying that i don't think i cld. have fun doing anything if anyone i seriously cared about were dying of cancer...So, if those runners cld. have fun then...well i suppose it does seem bad...or it proves that they don't really care!!


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:54:06#88
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*Bono goes on stage to end world hunger because that is all he can do.*

Easy point there....anything else he does just wouldnt have as bigger impact.


*If going on stage was the only thing he could do to find his kid lost in the desert then he would.*

If you want to use such a stupid comparison you have to make them similar.

Obviously he could do more than sing to find his kid, but he cant do much more than he does to help strangers, it is just lucky for him that he enjoys what he does.


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That's not something i'd dispute but it's not relevant to my arguement...cause the point is he cld. go and try and find Guggi Q...which he wld. do rather than go on stage!But what he wldn't do is go on stage knowing Guggi Q cld. be saved...like he does with strangers!!


So now you are saying he should go and cook for all the starving people to end world hunger? Like he would go look for his son because that proves he cares, he should go cook for people who are starving.

Right.
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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:54:37#89
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cduck said:
i don't think i cld. have fun doing anything if anyone i seriously cared about were dying of cancer...So, if those runners cld. have fun then...well i suppose it does seem bad...or it proves that they don't really care!!


Anything that brings the people helping others down to your "I don't care about others" level is sufficient


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New Post! May 15, 2008 @ 17:54:55#90
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cduck said:
That's not the same thing 'cause it's about someone who's close to them...but i can only ans that by saying that i don't think i cld. have fun doing anything if anyone i seriously cared about were dying of cancer...So, if those runners cld. have fun then...well i suppose it does seem bad...or it proves that they don't really care!!


Wrong, my girlfriend is going to run for the cancer charity and its not for anyone she knows, does this mean she can enjoy it?
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