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New Post! Dec 15, 2007 @ 04:36:34#16
jezmo

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I don't agree with animal testing. I can see the reasons for it being used in medical research but not for cosmetics.

I guess that makes me an animal loving freak.


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New Post! Dec 16, 2007 @ 11:51:15#17
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Some people are talking about an interesting type of "morality" here. What are pro-vivisectionists saying, that things are "moral" if humans benefit?

This seems to suggest that the level of species is important. Why? Why not gender or 'race'? I'm a white male - is it therefore "moral" if I benefit from experiments on persons of colour or women?

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New Post! Dec 21, 2007 @ 22:59:23#18
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well thats pretty much how it used to be... females where less than men, coloured people where less than white people... happily we've grown out of that, now the issue is other species being less than us humans. the next step will be accepting the other species... i just wonder how long it'll take?


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New Post! Jan 26, 2008 @ 05:16:31#19
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veggo_dude said:
In fact, a vast majority of animals used in biomedical and/or cosmetic research are fully conscious when they are tested on. Administering anaesthetic, pain killers or sedation in a lot of tests can affect research outcomes, and because of this, the animals are not given anything to ease their suffering. Also for people who think animal testing is worthy, have a read below:


Less than 2% of human illnesses (1.16%) are ever seen in animals. Over 98% never are.

At least 50 drugs on the market cause cancer in lab animals. They are allowed because it is admitted that animal tests are not relevant.

When asked if they agreed that animal experimentation can be misleading because of anatomical and physiological differences between animals and humans, 88% of doctors agreed.

Rats are 37% effective in identifying what causes cancer in humans. Flipping a coin would be more accurate.

According to animal tests lemon juice is deadly poison, but arsenic, hemlock and botulin are safe.

40% of patients suffer side effects as a result of prescription treatment.

Over 200, 000 medicines have been released most of which are now withdrawn. According to the World Health Organization, 240 medicines are "essential".

Thousands of drugs passed safe in animals have been withdrawn or banned due to their effect on human health.

Aspirin fails animal tests, as do digitalis (heart drug), cancer treatments, insulin (causes animal birth defects), penicillin and other safe medicines. They would be banned if results from animal experimentation were accurate.

When the producers of thalidomide were taken to court, they were acquitted after numerous experts agreed animal tests could not be relied on for human medicine.

At least 450 methods exist with which we can replace animal experiments.

Morphine puts humans asleep but excites cats.

95% of drugs passed by animal tests are immediately discarded as useless or dangerous to humans.

One is six patients in hospital are there because the drug they have taken had been passed safe for us on humans after animal tests.

Worldwide, at least 22 animals die every second in labs. In the UK one animal dies every five seconds.

The contraceptive pill causes blood clots in humans but it had the opposite effect in dogs.

We use aspirin for aches and pains. It causes birth defects mice, rabbits and rats.

Researchers refused to believe that benzene could cause cancer in humans because it failed to in animal tests.

Dogs failed to predict heart problems caused by the cardiovascular drugs encainide and flecainide, which led to an estimated 3, 000 deaths in the USA.

Heart by pa** surgery was put on hold for years because it didn't work on dogs.

If we had relied on animal tests we would still believe that humans don't need vitamin C, that smoking doesn't cause cancer and alcohol doesn't cause liver damage.

It was denied for decades that asbestos caused disease in humans because it didn't in animals.

Polio researchers were mislead for years about how we catch the disease because they had experimented on monkeys.

As one researcher points out, "the ultimate dilemma with any animal model of human disease is that it can never reflect the human situation with complete accuracy."



Animal testing is essential in the development of new medications.

It is right that animals are not accurate models of humans but animal testing is only one of the first steps in the development of new medicines. The majority of medicines that are developed never make it past the animal testing stage. Until someone develops an accurate model for humans animals are all we've got.

Once new medicines have been tested on animals they are tested on humans. Medicines are not put on the market after being tested on animals alone.

The majority of medicines have side effects, that is why you have to follow the dosing regimen. The doses are decided upon to give maximum therapeutic value with minimum adverse effects.

It is known that the developers of Thalidomide falsified their results from their animal testing. Thalidomide should never have been put on the market but is now the reason that strict testing of mew medicines has to be done.

Its not overly moral but testing new medicines on animals is an essential part of drug development.
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New Post! Jan 26, 2008 @ 11:13:38#20
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inted of testing on defencceless animals for their medical testing,why not use the prisoners on death row,there are there waiting to die and surely testing on another person would give truer facts than doing it on a animal,it may seem harsh to some people but these people have committed terriable crimes in their life and there just waiting to die,it would save millions of pounds cos they wont have to pay so much money cos the testing lab can pay for their human guinea pig all the times that they live.


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New Post! Jan 26, 2008 @ 11:23:40#21
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jeanettesianrachel said:
inted of testing on defencceless animals for their medical testing,why not use the prisoners on death row,there are there waiting to die and surely testing on another person would give truer facts than doing it on a animal,it may seem harsh to some people but these people have committed terriable crimes in their life and there just waiting to die,it would save millions of pounds cos they wont have to pay so much money cos the testing lab can pay for their human guinea pig all the times that they live.


Supposing that was a viable option, there are no where near enough prisoners to be able to effectively test drugs.
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New Post! Jan 26, 2008 @ 13:42:47#22
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jeanettesianrachel said:
inted of testing on defencceless animals for their medical testing,why not use the prisoners on death row,there are there waiting to die and surely testing on another person would give truer facts than doing it on a animal,it may seem harsh to some people but these people have committed terriable crimes in their life and there just waiting to die,it would save millions of pounds cos they wont have to pay so much money cos the testing lab can pay for their human guinea pig all the times that they live.


Please say that you are joking. You don't really want to test a potentially harmful drug on another human being just because of their past deeds, do you?

That seems like insanity to me. They are still human beings no matter what they did. To test expieramental anything on them would make you just as much of a monster as they were.

Nazi Germany tested drugs and other "cutting edge" medical practices on their death row inmates during WW2.

I say long live animal testing. In the big scheme of things, it doesn't really matter what happens to the lab animals, so long as it benefits humanity in the end.


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New Post! Jan 28, 2008 @ 00:09:57#23
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Animal Testing is right, plus not all animal testing is done for the sake of humans, some of it is done to try to cure diseases animals have.


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New Post! Jan 28, 2008 @ 00:11:17#24
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jeanettesianrachel said:
inted of testing on defencceless animals for their medical testing,why not use the prisoners on death row,there are there waiting to die and surely testing on another person would give truer facts than doing it on a animal,it may seem harsh to some people but these people have committed terriable crimes in their life and there just waiting to die,it would save millions of pounds cos they wont have to pay so much money cos the testing lab can pay for their human guinea pig all the times that they live.


ummm... that's sorta a big violation of human rights and the Gineva convention


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New Post! Jan 28, 2008 @ 00:23:48#25
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I'm totally against it, but I'm only ok with it with rats. Rats, because they can reproduce literally thousands/millions within one year. Anyother animal...no.

With all the tchnology of discovering the DNA within humans(human genome), the proteins we produce why can they not simulate how these cosmetics, medicines and such will have on us? Such as drawing blood from a human that has a virus and from there toying with that sample with medicines. No ones eyes have to be burned out, not even an animal's. Many labs abuse thier powers when it comes to hearing cases of this.
I remember watching Animal, a documentary on how a man collected various snake venoms. He was drawn blood from, and from there they were able to find it's anti-venom. (I may or may not be acurately right, i had a full migraine when i was watching it lmao), but correct me if i'm wrong with anything.


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New Post! Jan 28, 2008 @ 00:32:32#26
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matterdaddy84 said:
Please say that you are joking. You don't really want to test a potentially harmful drug on another human being just because of their past deeds, do you?

That seems like insanity to me. They are still human beings no matter what they did. To test expieramental anything on them would make you just as much of a monster as they were.

Nazi Germany tested drugs and other "cutting edge" medical practices on their death row inmates during WW2.

I say long live animal testing. In the big scheme of things, it doesn't really matter what happens to the lab animals, so long as it benefits humanity in the end.


Why are humans more important than animals?


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New Post! Jan 28, 2008 @ 00:34:40#27
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shadowy said:
Why are humans more important than animals?


depends on how you think.

some day we're better or more important as we're smarter.


Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population.
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New Post! Jan 28, 2008 @ 00:42:49#28
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shadowy said:
Why are humans more important than animals?


Why is anything what it is?

Are you asking this question because you think that we are equal with animals, or are you just trying to peck a fight?


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New Post! Jan 28, 2008 @ 01:51:23#29
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Humans are not more important than animals, and neither the opposite is true. But it's strange how humans ruin the ecosystem, or accidentally kill off/drive species to desperaetly low numbers. Humans will forever have a feeling of greater beingness. It's even within society. ex: I'm more important than you because i'm CEO of McDonalds, and you're a simple customer. But, Without that customer ...you wouldn't be anyhting.


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New Post! Jan 28, 2008 @ 01:54:11#30
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andii said:
Humans are not more important than animals,


why do you say that?.


Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population.
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