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Rasputin London, Canada | #1  Jul 26, 2009 @ 04:02:56Panic over socialized medicine is completely unfounded. I can't believe the propaganda on cnn. They must have paid those Canadians a lot to spread bulls*** for the insurance companies. I am a 52 year old Canadian of modest means who would be if not dead,at least bankrupt if I were an American. The Canadian system is somthing that almost all of us Canucks are very grateful for. Unfortunately, we have currently an idiot conservative government who is ideologically linked to Bush and Cheney. Our medical system works beautifully if creeping privatization were not occurring due to relentless pressure from U.S interests. I just hope for Americans sake you will join the rest of the civilised world and adopt universal health care. | ||||||
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fitzyp Auckland, New Zealand | #2 Jul 26, 2009 @ 04:13:34Yeah watching Fox is always hilarious but the pure crap they've been pumping out over universal healthcare has been particularly amusing. | ||||||
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amelie3 Sydney, Australia | #3 Jul 26, 2009 @ 04:46:55Rasputin (wow, LOVE the name) let's face it. No-one likes change - people are scared of change. People comes to conclusions about what change will mean - they freak out, basically. Agreeing to free health-care one day, queuing in the snow for 3 hours to buy toilet paper the next. As an Australian it has no personal impact on me what the US decide. In a time where the economy has never been grimmer; where so many are losing their jobs and health coverage they might have had, I'm astonished that free health care isn't being embraced as necessary. | ||||||
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rocket48 , Texas | #4 Jul 26, 2009 @ 17:50:41 @fitzyp Said  Yeah watching Fox is always hilarious but the pure crap they've been pumping out over universal healthcare has been particularly amusing. Rasputin said CNN, how did you come up with FOX? This is Obama's health care reform, how did Bush and Chaney get back in the picture. The world is now seeing what the Obama administration is all about, and he is more unpopular that Bush ever thought about being within the first 6 months of office. Next year, we will gain control in the house again. | ||||||
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crazylikeafox Arvada, Colorado | #5 Jul 27, 2009 @ 05:00:52 @rocket48 Said Rasputin said CNN, how did you come up with FOX? This is Obama's health care reform, how did Bush and Chaney get back in the picture. The world is now seeing what the Obama administration is all about, and he is more unpopular that Bush ever thought about being within the first 6 months of office. Next year, we will gain control in the house again. Rasputin is Canadian. They try and hide it from the outside world, but it's a favorite past time of theirs to pretend any party they're not a part of is just an American puppet. I do have to wonder though, how DOES a Prime Minister become the puppet of a former President and Vice President? Does the OP really think their leaders are such easy pushovers that ANY famous American can control them? I'm not really surprised Obama's numbers are in free fall. Actually, I knew it would happen before he even took office. The only thing I was wrong about was how long it would take. His biggest mistake in this regard, however, is trying to rush Congress through passing it. A rushed Congress never ends well, and this is too big a project to let Congress rush through it. | ||||||
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| fitzyp Auckland, New Zealand | #6 Jul 27, 2009 @ 06:11:23The gist of his post was about how America is hysterical towards universal healthcare. Fox has been especially hysterical about it. They're back in the picture? @rocket48 Said The world is now seeing what the Obama administration is all about, and he is more unpopular that Bush ever thought about being within the first 6 months of office. Very silly thing to say. Depends on whether or not the economy is recovering. | ||||||
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| DuLu TRAIN deRAILour  Waverly, Washington | #7 Jul 27, 2009 @ 06:38:48You failed to touch on one sleight thing: how many healthcare employees would be out of work as a result of this, and/or how many healthcare businesses would fail? Big bucks are all wrapped up in the health care system that is currently in effect here in the U.S.of A. | ||||||
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| amelie3 Sydney, Australia | #8 Jul 27, 2009 @ 07:54:54 @DuLu Said You failed to touch on one sleight thing: how many healthcare employees would be out of work as a result of this, and/or how many healthcare businesses would fail? Big bucks are all wrapped up in the health care system that is currently in effect here in the U.S.of A. I agree that there would be some change-over for health care employees working for the public instead of the private sector. More health care coverage means more demand for health care professionals, not less, to me. They might work in a different place. but I'd assume if anything, the demand for jobs will be better. I'm struck by something though - if you are worried about masses of people facing unemployment, don't you also worry about people not having health coverage? | ||||||
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| DuLu TRAIN deRAILour Waverly, Washington | #9 Jul 27, 2009 @ 12:31:33 @amelie3 Said I agree that there would be some change-over for health care employees working for the public instead of the private sector. More health care coverage means more demand for health care professionals, not less, to me. They might work in a different place. but I'd assume if anything, the demand for jobs will be better. I'm struck by something though - if you are worried about masses of people facing unemployment, don't you also worry about people not having health coverage? What made me think of my post, is when I was reading your post I thought - hmmmmm, if we did have universal health care which would be a big plus for the poor or unemployed - on the adverse side how many jobs would be lost in the health field area? Our minds were the same area. I have that on my 'to do' list, to research the whole process of insurance premiums - annual amount an average person pays or paid in versus the cost of medical care for a major medical emergency (heart attack for instance). I'm open for some change, but many times part of the solution becomes part of the problem as well, or just creates new problems. | |||||||
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| amelie3 Sydney, Australia | #10 Jul 27, 2009 @ 13:01:03 @DuLu Said [ I'm open for some change, but many times part of the solution becomes part of the problem as well, or just creates new problems. Okay. The fact that you are going away to read up more excuses you from what I would have said ordinarily, which is - if you complain you remain. Sure, complain about a system - but if you are going to complain, suggest an alternative. Since you are off to find one - as am I, good luck. See you back here in a couple of days...or weeks lol. | ||||||
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| rocket48 , Texas | #11 Jul 27, 2009 @ 13:07:52 @Rasputin Said Unfortunately, we have currently an idiot conservative government who is ideologically linked to Bush and Cheney. Our medical system works beautifully if creeping privatization were not occurring due to relentless pressure from U.S interests. I just hope for Americans sake you will join the rest of the civilised world and adopt universal health care. This is what I meant by asking how Bush and Cheney got back into politics. We are a civilized Nation and the leader of the free world and we are leaders, not followers. Just because others have it doesn't mean it is good. Is our heath care perfect? Not even close. Yes, we need changes, but from what I hear about universal health care, it also needs changes. Going from one extreme to another has many risks. | ||||||
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| Rasputin London, Canada | #12 Jul 27, 2009 @ 14:24:55 @rocket48 Said This is what I meant by asking how Bush and Cheney got back into politics. We are a civilized Nation and the leader of the free world and we are leaders, not followers. Just because others have it doesn't mean it is good. Is our heath care perfect? Not even close. Yes, we need changes, but from what I hear about universal health care, it also needs changes. Going from one extreme to another has many risks. Our health care system worked beautifully until mostly right wing politicians began starving it for cash and letting it deteriorate. How can the U.S. call itself the leader of the free world when it imprisons more of it's population than any nation on earth?Unfettered capitalism is just as poisonous as pure communism. As for socialized medicine, if it's not good why is our infant mortaiity,longevity, and health in Canada so much better than the U.S? As for being civilised,lets see, highest gun deaths,The only western nation with the death penalty,insane war on drugs,crooked banking system,constant wars of agression,real civilised. | ||||||
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| plebian_angel Intergalactic hussy  a great future, | #13 Jul 27, 2009 @ 14:34:32 @DuLu Said You failed to touch on one sleight thing: how many healthcare employees would be out of work as a result of this, and/or how many healthcare businesses would fail? Big bucks are all wrapped up in the health care system that is currently in effect here in the U.S.of A. I agree. Now if we did get national healtchare I would think claim processing would be contracted out like medicare and TRICARE is. Many people WILL lose their jobs and may not be able to find another if claim processing moves to another state. It's not as simple as saying more jobs will be created when existing jobs may be lost. Until you have spent time here, you cant judge what is and isn't good for us americans. It's not fear, but pracaticallity that keeps the majority from wanting this so called free healthcare. | ||||||
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| Rasputin London, Canada | #14 Jul 27, 2009 @ 14:36:02 @crazylikeafox Said Rasputin is Canadian. They try and hide it from the outside world, but it's a favorite past time of theirs to pretend any party they're not a part of is just an American puppet. I do have to wonder though, how DOES a Prime Minister become the puppet of a former President and Vice President? Does the OP really think their leaders are such easy pushovers that ANY famous American can control them? I'm not really surprised Obama's numbers are in free fall. Actually, I knew it would happen before he even took office. The only thing I was wrong about was how long it would take. His biggest mistake in this regard, however, is trying to rush Congress through passing it. A rushed Congress never ends well, and this is too big a project to let Congress rush through it. The conservative party in Canada is alway's acting in lockstep with the republicans. We would be mired down in Iraq like you if they had their way. Because we have 5 parties here,they only enjoy the support of 35 percent of us. It's all about ideology.And yes Steven Harper will do anything that a republican tells him. Thank God they are a minority government and have their worst neo con ideas blocked by parliment. Never confusae a neo con with facts,it's against their religion. | ||||||
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diomedes Long Beach, California | #15 Jul 27, 2009 @ 22:09:41I don't want to pay for health insurance for poor people. | ||||||
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