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h20gerl
Über-General
517 points
45/F/Islamorada, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2008 | jonnythan said:
Who is going to prevent you from crossing your unborn child's line?
If you can't even accept that any opinion except yours is valid, then you are a speed bump in the way of progress.
I dunno, maybe it has something to do with the fact that your formative years were in the 70s.
Again.....opinions are rampant....fine.
What is wrong is when opinions begin to remove rights. if you want to shave half your head, carry a concealed weapon or have an abortion, that is a personal choice.
Anytime anyone let's the government remove or govern a personal choice the a precedent is set that opens Pamndoras Box to begin affecting and governing other personal choices.
Why can't you grasp that opinion is not what is being assulted. It the the right to have, express and act on that opinion.
I absolutely do not understand how anyone can support democracy and yet want to control what others do with their own bodies. |  | |
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raditz8526
Monk
35828 points
30/M/,
Join Date: Mar 2006 | h20gerl said:
Again.....opinions are rampant....fine.
What is wrong is when opinions begin to remove rights. if you want to shave half your head, carry a concealed weapon or have an abortion, that is a personal choice.
Anytime anyone let's the government remove or govern a personal choice the a precedent is set that opens Pamndoras Box to begin affecting and governing other personal choices.
Why can't you grasp that opinion is not what is being assulted. It the the right to have, express and act on that opinion.
I absolutely do not understand how anyone can support democracy and yet want to control what others do with their own bodies.
Someone shaving their head or carrying a gun isn't ending someone else's life, abortion is. | | | |
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jonnythan
Twinky
91779 points
27/M/NY, New York
Join Date: Aug 2005 | h20gerl said:
I absolutely do not understand how anyone can support democracy and yet want to control what others do with their own bodies.
Simply put:
Many, many people believe that a fetus is not part of the mother's body. The fetus is, to them, an individual human life. This position is relatively easy to support, given the fact that the fetus has its own DNA, hair color, eye color, blood type, allergies, Rh factor, skin color, gender, and its body fluids never mix with the mother's.
What other parts of your body have their own DNA, blood type, central nervous system, and heart?
"Passion threatens the complacent and fills them with fear. Fear of the new, the deep, and the different. We, on the other hand, seek it out. Endlessly, joyously... and aggressively." |  | | Edited: May 06, 2008 @ 13:52 |  |
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h20gerl
Über-General
517 points
45/F/Islamorada, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2008 | jonnythan said:
If you believe that human life begins at conception, then giving the mother the right to choose denies a human being the right to live.
That's what you're totally ignoring.
No one wants to remove a mother's right to choose just because. They want to remove the mother's option to legally murder her children.
I find it so ironic that so many people that want to control what a woman does are men! What a freakin shock! You don't have a womb and won't ever be pregnant. It is like a shoe salesmen trying to tell a pilot how to fly a plane.
As a man you could never relate to what it must be like to find yourself knocked up when it is the last thing on earth you wanted. Regardless how it got there, we all make mistakes, it still comes to removing someone's freedom of personal decision.
Getting into someone's personal decisions is like the old lady who sits at home and peeks out the window at what her neighbors are doing. | | | |
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jonnythan
Twinky
91779 points
27/M/NY, New York
Join Date: Aug 2005 | h20gerl said:
I find it so ironic that so many people that want to control what a woman does are men! What a freakin shock! You don't have a womb and won't ever be pregnant. It is like a shoe salesmen trying to tell a pilot how to fly a plane.
As a man you could never relate to what it must be like to find yourself knocked up when it is the last thing on earth you wanted. Regardless how it got there, we all make mistakes, it still comes to removing someone's freedom of personal decision.
Getting into someone's personal decisions is like the old lady who sits at home and peeks out the window at what her neighbors are doing.
For the last time, I never said that this is my opinion.
I'm on neither side of this debate. I'm trying, quite unsuccessfully, to make you understand that "the other side" has a point.
If you'd read my words with half an ounce of reason, you'd see that I never stated my personal beliefs here.
You are apparently quite sure that I am advocating an abortion ban. But the only reason to believe that I am is because you're so blinded by your own opinion and ego.
"Passion threatens the complacent and fills them with fear. Fear of the new, the deep, and the different. We, on the other hand, seek it out. Endlessly, joyously... and aggressively." | | | |
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h20gerl
Über-General
517 points
45/F/Islamorada, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2008 | raditz8526 said:
Someone shaving their head or carrying a gun isn't ending someone else's life, abortion is.
A fetus isn't considered viable until 28 weeks. That means it cannot exist on it's own. Much like people who are considered clinically dead but the family selfishly keeps them on life support.
There is no quality of life if you need assistance to maintain functions that would otherwise be voluntary.
The world is choking on over population as it is. If there is a way to control whether or not a woman wants to give birth and she is hapy with her decision....then leave her alone. | | | |
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h20gerl
Über-General
517 points
45/F/Islamorada, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2008 | jonnythan said:
For the last time, I never said that this is my opinion.
I'm on neither side of this debate. I'm trying, quite unsuccessfully, to make you understand that "the other side" has a point.
If you'd read my words with half an ounce of reason, you'd see that I never stated my personal beliefs here.
You are apparently quite sure that I am advocating an abortion ban. But the only reason to believe that I am is because you're so blinded by your own opinion and ego.
Everyone has a point.....as long as that point isn't there to step all over someone's choices, fine. | | | |
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raditz8526
Monk
35828 points
30/M/,
Join Date: Mar 2006 | h20gerl said:
A fetus isn't considered viable until 28 weeks. That means it cannot exist on it's own. Much like people who are considered clinically dead but the family selfishly keeps them on life support.
There is no quality of life if you need assistance to maintain functions that would otherwise be voluntary.
The world is choking on over population as it is. If there is a way to control whether or not a woman wants to give birth and she is hapy with her decision....then leave her alone.
I don't care when it's viable. It's a human life and should be respected, not treated as a disposable commodity.
BTW, the world is not "choking" on over population. That is a myth. | | | |
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h20gerl
Über-General
517 points
45/F/Islamorada, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2008 | jonnythan said:
For the last time, I never said that this is my opinion.
I'm on neither side of this debate. I'm trying, quite unsuccessfully, to make you understand that "the other side" has a point.
If you'd read my words with half an ounce of reason, you'd see that I never stated my personal beliefs here.
You are apparently quite sure that I am advocating an abortion ban. But the only reason to believe that I am is because you're so blinded by your own opinion and ego.
Of course you have an opinion or you wouldn't still be here.
Are you truly portraying yourself as another non commital, wishy washy man?
I am sure you can use that comment to decide I am a typical "man hater". I just don't respect people that sit on the fence and are exempt of passion | | | |
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raditz8526
Monk
35828 points
30/M/,
Join Date: Mar 2006 | h20gerl said:
I find it so ironic that so many people that want to control what a woman does are men! What a freakin shock! You don't have a womb and won't ever be pregnant. It is like a shoe salesmen trying to tell a pilot how to fly a plane.
As a man you could never relate to what it must be like to find yourself knocked up when it is the last thing on earth you wanted. Regardless how it got there, we all make mistakes, it still comes to removing someone's freedom of personal decision.
Getting into someone's personal decisions is like the old lady who sits at home and peeks out the window at what her neighbors are doing.
h20gerl said:
However...if the opinion doesn't align with yours.....then you are being ignored.
I hate myself for stating this, espically in writing. but how typically male!!!!
Get your own womb and then control it!
h20gerl said:
Of course you have an opinion or you wouldn't still be here.
Are you truly portraying yourself as another non commital, wishy washy man?
I am sure you can use that comment to decide I am a typical "man hater". I just don't respect people that sit on the fence and are exempt of passion
No, there are other comments to prove it.  | | | |
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jonnythan
Twinky
91779 points
27/M/NY, New York
Join Date: Aug 2005 | h20gerl said:
Are you truly portraying yourself as another non commital, wishy washy man?
Yeah, I am. If I were forced to take sides, I'm not sure which "side" I would take. I would probably fall somewhere in the middle, but with radically different reasoning from most people.
It's stupid to attack someone's character (especially when you don't know them) and totally ignore the content of their statements.
Don't totally ignore and throw out everything I say just because you think you disagree with my general position. That's the hallmark of an irrational, emotional, totally non-logical individual. That's "I disagree with your general position so absolutely everything out of your mouth is wrong."
I am still here because you are 100% illogically one-sided on a mutli-faceted issue.
"Passion threatens the complacent and fills them with fear. Fear of the new, the deep, and the different. We, on the other hand, seek it out. Endlessly, joyously... and aggressively." | | | | Edited: May 06, 2008 @ 14:37 | |
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