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raditz8526
Monk
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Join Date: Mar 2006 | xphile2868 said:
So, you would force a raped woman (and rape is an act of violence and coercion) to carry her rapists baby and look after it? You would rather that parents suffer the tragedy of a stillborn child than allow the mother to abort it? You would rather make someone a single father and let a woman die rather than allow her to preserve her own life?
I'm just glad you're not in power anywhere, because that place would be an hellhole for women.
She wouldn't have to look after it, she can adopt it.
If the child is dead, there is no reason not to remove it.
How many abortions are done to save the life of the woman? |  | |
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h20gerl
Über-General
517 points
45/F/Islamorada, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2008 | jonnythan said:
It's all well and good to say "it's a personal choice!" but that explanation has no meaning to someone who believes that abortion is literally the murder of a human being.
You are failing to understand that, to many people, an abortion is the moral equivalent to the direct murder of a newborn. You'd never say that it's a mother's choice to murder a newborn, would you?
The issue is not whether it's a choice or not. It's whether a fetus is a human being or not.
Fine, personal choice.....just because some people don't share your views doesn't mean that the whole over the top drama queen approach will get someone to change. People will be people...try and grasp that.
to some it is "murder" to some it is "freedom or choice". If I was shoving my ideals down your throat you would be the first to scream "foul". So don't get so far up you soap box that you become a hippocrit. If I was to insult your personal concepts on the same level....how would that sit with you?
Hence.....freedom of choice. | | | |
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h20gerl
Über-General
517 points
45/F/Islamorada, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2008 | jonnythan said:
So, you're claiming that "life begins at conception" is an invalid opinion or belief because we cannot keep a fetus alive at 24 weeks?
That's an interesting argument.
Food for thought:
1) 100 years ago, we could not keep a 30 week old fetus alive outside the womb. Was abortion therefore OK for a longer time back then?
2) In 100 years, we may be able to raise an embryo from the moment of conception to full term in an artificial womb. Since a baby will be viable at any stage of development, will abortion never be acceptable in the year 2108?
To me; abortion has always been acceptable as long as the woman is comfortable with her decision. I am totally for what ever choice makes you sleep at night. Wasn't that the while point of the beginnings of this contry?
What "gets my hair up" is anyone who claims to be American and does not defend the right of his peers to make their own decisions. I don't care what you want to do within your personal boundaries. Just stay our of mine and everyone elses.
That is what people risked their lives to come here for. | | | |
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jonnythan
Pickle
104336 points
27/M/NY, New York
Join Date: Aug 2005 | h20gerl said:
To me; abortion has always been acceptable as long as the woman is comfortable with her decision. I am totally for what ever choice makes you sleep at night. Wasn't that the while point of the beginnings of this contry?
What "gets my hair up" is anyone who claims to be American and does not defend the right of his peers to make their own decisions. I don't care what you want to do within your personal boundaries. Just stay our of mine and everyone elses.
That is what people risked their lives to come here for.
You're totally ignoring everything I say.
Pretty much what I expect, though.
See, there are a number of issues here and you bounce from one to another whenever a counterpoint is made.
The opinion that life begins at conception is a valid one. That is the point where an individuals DNA is finalized - his hair color, eye color, blood type, skin color, etc, all of that is determined at that instant.
The opinion that life begins some time later, around the time of sentience, or brain development, or the formation of a beating heart, or whatever, is also valid.
Anyway, let's get to the meat. You harp about choice - and even go so far as to call people who don't support the pro choice position as unamerican!
Would you support the choice of a mother to murder a newborn? Since it's unamerican to deny people their choices?
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h20gerl
Über-General
517 points
45/F/Islamorada, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2008 | jonnythan said:
These debates are always impassioned but generally lacking in any sort of logic or rationality.
It's one of those issues that everyone has a very strong opinion on, but there is precious little rational thought or self-examination to go around.
Very few people accept that other opinions are just as valid as their own, much less critically examine and internally debate their own.
I have more self examination than the average grunt. That is what gives me the balance to accept that whatever lets someone sleep at night, is not a situation I have the right to disrupt.
What perplexes me is that men are the first ones to jump into a womans womb. A genetic society less versed on the situation I could not imagine.
Please put your intelligence and dilligence towards solving a situation that would truly benefit us all. | | | |
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