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New Post! Nov 05, 2009 @ 11:02:00#16
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Acually, after agreeing with Nixon during the campaign, that a summit with Khrushchev was a bad idea, Kennedy did go to a summit. To Khrushchev, Kennedy appeared to be a fool, just like Obama. I saw it on television at the time. Jackie looked lovely.

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New Post! Nov 06, 2009 @ 03:09:05#17
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crazylikeafox said:

Kennedy didn't talk to the Russians, and I don't see how you can "know" what Reagan or Bush would've done. Especially considering Reagan played a huge part in ending the Cold War.

It was Kennedy's and his staff's decision to talk to Krushchev directly, and avoid the Politburo. They knew for a fact the Russian politicians wouldn't talk, but the 1st letter from Moscow gave them the idea that Krushchev MIGHT (that might is a key. It was the best option, but it was STILL a gamble).

It should also be pointed out Kennedy didn't just talk. He also blockaded Cuba (another gamble since blockades can be considered acts of war). Perhaps the crisis shows a President should leave ALL options open, or perhaps using both diplomacy AND threats is the best choice. I'm willing to bet it's the 1st conclusion, but I can't ignore the fact it could be the 2nd conclusion.

Reagan played a hugh part- and almost blew it totally. Gorbachev had his feet cut out from under when Cowboy Raygun made that "tear down this wall" speech. Dialog and agreement between Gorby and Ronnie had made the decision and Reagan almost blew it. You have to think what an extremely fine line Gorbachev was walking with the Kremlin postured right over his skull.


Never before has so terrible a threat hung over mankind as now.
The only reasonable way out of the existing situation
is the reaching of an agreement by the opposing forces
on the immediate termination of the arms race,
the nuclear arms race on earth
and the prevention of arms in space.
We need an agreement on an honest and equitable basis
without attempts at "outplaying" the other side
and dictating terms to it.
We need an agreement which would help all
to advance toward the cherished goal:
the complete elimination and prohibition
of nuclear weapons for all time,
toward the complete removal of the threat of nuclear war.
This is our firm conviction.
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We want peaceful competition between different social systems
to develop unimpeded,
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We want people of every country
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The road to this lies through proceeding
to a nuclear-free, nonviolent world.
We have embarked on this road,
and call on other countries and nations to follow suit.
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New Post! Nov 06, 2009 @ 04:36:00#18
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buffalobill90 said:

I think Obama is the new Obama.



Now that's the truth....



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New Post! Nov 06, 2009 @ 04:46:45#19
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WeNowSix said:

Before the last national elections, candidate Barack Obama promised to start a war in Pakistan; so for comparisons to President Obama, one might consider Pericles, the Athenian leader who started a war that almost destroyed the nation.

Edit: One might consider Thirteen Rabbit, the Mayan king who started a war and who did destroy the nation.



Yeah....you mean to tell me you believe Obama is out to "destroy this nation?" Are you for real? Why would he do that? IMO, Bush and every other past presidents who started wars is the very reason America NEEDS change in handling those who truly DO want to destroy us!!!! What the hell are we doing in those countries fighting? You think we can or will really stop those people who want to attack and kill us? That's just wishful thinking!!! Obama is about PEACE!!!



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New Post! Nov 06, 2009 @ 05:54:10#20
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shinobinoz said:

Reagan played a hugh part- and almost blew it totally. Gorbachev had his feet cut out from under when Cowboy Raygun made that "tear down this wall" speech. Dialog and agreement between Gorby and Ronnie had made the decision and Reagan almost blew it. You have to think what an extremely fine line Gorbachev was walking with the Kremlin postured right over his skull.


How, exactly, did Reagan's "tear down this wall" speech nearly blow it? Also, how does making a speech in Germany prove he would've rained nukes on Russia during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Since he didn't do that in the 80's (or as far as I can see, was even anywhere close to doing it), I have no reason to think he would've done it in the 60's. Still, I'm interested in seeing why YOU think he would've.
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New Post! Nov 06, 2009 @ 05:59:47#21
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WeNowSix said:

Acually, after agreeing with Nixon during the campaign, that a summit with Khrushchev was a bad idea, Kennedy did go to a summit. To Khrushchev, Kennedy appeared to be a fool, just like Obama. I saw it on television at the time. Jackie looked lovely.

link [www.weeklystandard.com]


What do you think he should've done? It isn't like Kennedy thought they'd be best buds, or even agree on anything. However, when in the midst of a cold war, ESPECIALLY 1 that could end in nuclear holocaust, keeping the diplomatic option open is important. Like I said, it would be a bad idea for a President to limit his options.
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New Post! Nov 06, 2009 @ 06:44:25#22
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Ellen said:

He followed an unpopular president. He received a strong election mandate. He changed the tone in Washington.

He said that Human Rights mattered. That America's image in the world had to be remade.

He would receive a Nobel Peace Prize.

As the end of his presidency's first year drew near, the future looked bright. He had brought change -- change that mattered.

It was 1977. The next year was very bad.

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The next year was not bad. That was the year I was born.

Obama - too black to be the new Carter. Carter was white.


God bless you.
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New Post! Nov 06, 2009 @ 12:41:03#23
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crazylikeafox said:

What do you think he should've done? It isn't like Kennedy thought they'd be best buds, or even agree on anything. However, when in the midst of a cold war, ESPECIALLY 1 that could end in nuclear holocaust, keeping the diplomatic option open is important. Like I said, it would be a bad idea for a President to limit his options.



Well, who knows what presidents should do or not do? The one thing they all do is pick between alternatives. Nixon talked in secret with Chairman Mao. Reagen waited until until the Russians had someone who would listen.

One might wonder less about what Kennedy did? Instead one might wonder why he did it. All during the cold war, Democrat politicians, like Alan Cranston or Frank Church, wanted to talk to the Russians. Many of the Democrats refused to confront the fact that Alger Hiss was a traitor. One exception might have been Lyndon Johnson, who taught Joe McCarthy how to find commies under every rock.

Anyway, seems to me that Democrats, like Barack Obama, have a kind of obsession with talking, even when nobody wants to listen. The Iranian mullahs have a psycho view of the world, just like the Bolsheviks. One hopes that President Obama understands that before he turns on his ooma.
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New Post! Nov 06, 2009 @ 12:55:43#24
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aquine said:

Obama - too black to be the new Carter. Carter was white.


Carter still is white. He's a little more wrinkled, and a lot less nice, but his skin color hasn't changed.

And I'll let other nicer people address the racist implications in your statement. I just wanted to point out your inaccuracies.



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New Post! Nov 07, 2009 @ 06:14:45#25
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aquine said:

The next year was not bad. That was the year I was born.

Obama - too black to be the new Carter. Carter was white.


God bless you.


May God bless your little racist a$$!
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New Post! Nov 07, 2009 @ 06:16:22#26
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WeNowSix said:

Well, who knows what presidents should do or not do? The one thing they all do is pick between alternatives. Nixon talked in secret with Chairman Mao. Reagen waited until until the Russians had someone who would listen.

One might wonder less about what Kennedy did? Instead one might wonder why he did it. All during the cold war, Democrat politicians, like Alan Cranston or Frank Church, wanted to talk to the Russians. Many of the Democrats refused to confront the fact that Alger Hiss was a traitor. One exception might have been Lyndon Johnson, who taught Joe McCarthy how to find commies under every rock.

Anyway, seems to me that Democrats, like Barack Obama, have a kind of obsession with talking, even when nobody wants to listen. The Iranian mullahs have a psycho view of the world, just like the Bolsheviks. One hopes that President Obama understands that before he turns on his ooma.


Lot o words- nary a truth!
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New Post! Nov 20, 2009 @ 00:01:58#27
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WeNowSix said:

One might wonder less about what Kennedy did? Instead one might wonder why he did it. All during the cold war, Democrat politicians, like Alan Cranston or Frank Church, wanted to talk to the Russians. Many of the Democrats refused to confront the fact that Alger Hiss was a traitor. One exception might have been Lyndon Johnson, who taught Joe McCarthy how to find commies under every rock.


A friend of mine read this, and he reminded me of how Frank Church almost outed the spy, who might have been the most valuable spy the CIA ever had in the Soviet Union. I have wondered if the horror of what he almost did might have hastened his death.
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