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New Post! May 22, 2009 @ 03:59:03#16
shinobinoz

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I believe you keep thinking I'm supporting coal when I'm not. Nuclear power remains a problem due to the length of the half-life of some types. The French do not 100% re-use radioactive material- it becomes spent. It then must be re-activated or discarded. Unless you are willing to admit to the VERY LARGE problem of nuclear waste- you are wasting any chance to promote your side of the issue.

You thought you were being clever using half-life in discussing mercury- and I told you with the very next post that I thought that was an error- but guess what? Coming from public health as an environmentalist I know that the term is used for mercury in the body. i.e. check out this link [www.mercurylife.com]
link [www.urmc.rochester.edu]
link [www.mercola.com]
link [www.ehponline.org]
I won't bore you with th numerous pages of this dead horse.

Also: No link or signifance with terrorism?
link [www.tmia.com]
link [www.nci.org]
link [www.ohiocitizen.org]

I'm quite sure that Iran would agree with you on that matter.

So what was this about someone who thinks they know something?

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New Post! May 22, 2009 @ 04:16:06#17
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*slams head on wall*

Nuclear power in the US has absolutely nothing to do with nuclear power in Iran or nuclear terrorism.

Nothing.

And the term "half-life" is used in all sorts of contexts. However, we were specifically talking about isotope half-lives. You were - and are - bemoaning the lengthy half-lives of nuclear waste, but steadfastly refusing to acknowledge that the half-life of environmental pollutants from fossil fuel burning is infinite.

You're completely, completely missing the point because you seem to be so hung up on defending your own misunderstandings of the science.

The bottom line:

Fossil fuel burning power plants release tons and tons of real toxic waste with infinite half-lives into the environment every year. Nuclear power plants produce - and safely store away - relatively small amounts of toxic waste with limited half lives. Yes, the half lives are big numbers, but they're less than infinity. And the waste is safely stored, not pumped into the air and groundwater!




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New Post! May 22, 2009 @ 04:51:51#18
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jonnythan said:

*slams head on wall*

Nuclear power in the US has absolutely nothing to do with nuclear power in Iran or nuclear terrorism.

Nothing.

And the term "half-life" is used in all sorts of contexts. However, we were specifically talking about isotope half-lives. You were - and are - bemoaning the lengthy half-lives of nuclear waste, but steadfastly refusing to acknowledge that the half-life of environmental pollutants from fossil fuel burning is infinite.

You're completely, completely missing the point because you seem to be so hung up on defending your own misunderstandings of the science.

The bottom line:

Fossil fuel burning power plants release tons and tons of real toxic waste with infinite half-lives into the environment every year. Nuclear power plants produce - and safely store away - relatively small amounts of toxic waste with limited half lives. Yes, the half lives are big numbers, but they're less than infinity. And the waste is safely stored, not pumped into the air and groundwater!


Keep slamming. You might learn soon.
I have not defended coal pollution. In fact I've been on some of the orginizations that have been fighting coal power here in Kansas.
How am I misunderstanding?
The waste is NOT safely stored. Everyone is LOOKING for a place to dump the mess. 220,000 tonnes in 2000 and grwoing by 10,000 a year is not relatively small amounts. 12,000 tonnes of high level radioactive waste is generated annually.

On top of this- you have not taken into consideration the pollution of extracting radioactive ore nor the cost and tonnage of dismanteling a nuclear power plant. Smoke and mirrors.

I have worked on the local Homeland Security board- I am telling you. Terrorism is a very big problem in the whole process of radioactive materials from cradle to grave.
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New Post! May 22, 2009 @ 12:57:02#19
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shinobinoz said:
The waste is NOT safely stored.


No?

How many nuclear waste containment vessels leaked radioactive waste into the environment in 2008? 2007? The entire period from 1980 to 2009?

How many tons of toxic nuclear waste were dumped directly into the environment in the US in the last 10 years?

Now.. how many tons of toxic waste from fossil-fuel power plants were dumped directly into the environment in the US in the last 10 years?


Compare those two numbers.

Tell me which one is being safely stored and which one is not.


Just because there's no good permanent home for nuclear waste yet does not mean that it's not being safely stored. It is being safely stored, and will continue to be safely stored for the foreseeable future.

You can't just claim that it's not being safely stored because you just think it is. You can't make up facts. Well, you can try, but you'll still be wrong.

I should make it clear that I specifically studied nuclear and subatomic physics and nuclear power technology as well as environmental engineering in university, so I sort of have some clue what I'm talking about.



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New Post! May 24, 2009 @ 14:35:43#20
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jonnythan said:

No?

How many nuclear waste containment vessels leaked radioactive waste into the environment in 2008? 2007? The entire period from 1980 to 2009?

How many tons of toxic nuclear waste were dumped directly into the environment in the US in the last 10 years?

Now.. how many tons of toxic waste from fossil-fuel power plants were dumped directly into the environment in the US in the last 10 years?


Compare those two numbers.

Tell me which one is being safely stored and which one is not.


Just because there's no good permanent home for nuclear waste yet does not mean that it's not being safely stored. It is being safely stored, and will continue to be safely stored for the foreseeable future.

You can't just claim that it's not being safely stored because you just think it is. You can't make up facts. Well, you can try, but you'll still be wrong.

I should make it clear that I specifically studied nuclear and subatomic physics and nuclear power technology as well as environmental engineering in university, so I sort of have some clue what I'm talking about.

And I have dealt with the likes of nuke lovers who continue to point over there while trying to hide their own dirty secrets.

First- you keep going to coal when I've told you I have fought against this. Smoke and mirrors.
Again- you totally ignore terrorism concerns. Something of tremendous concern for the whole globe.
And finally- you do not dare mention pollution of atomic energy. I will.
Over 300 million tons of mill tailings have been accumulated in the United States alone, with 10 to 15 million tons added each year.

Radioactive materials once entering the water cycle get moved about the globe for say the next thousand to tens of thousands or even millions of years.

There are different types of radioactive materials. Some that your skin will block will cause lung cancer in the smallest of exposures (down to one or two particles), some collect in body organs and bones, some will zip right on through everything.

Also- how would I know what has been leaking or not. Do you trust the government, military, or nuke energy CEO? I would like to point out that at present- the fuel rods are being stored on site. When they start railing or trucking it over-land. Accidents will happen.
Studies at the Rancho Seco nuclear reactor in Sacramento California showed a 25% increase in infant mortality in the first two years of operation and a drop of 31% in the two years following it's closure.

I read where 74% of past nuclear accidents have been caused by human error. What percentage is acceptable to you?

Do you think the waste should continue to used in munitions?

Four of the six shallow land burial sites for "low level" (i.e. not to be confused with "not hazardous" radioactive waste in the United States have been closed due to leakage and off-site radioactive contamination. The two sites remaining open in Barnwell, South Carolina and Richland, Washington, are also leaking.

Also- Repository at Yucca Mountain. Taking yet more dwindling Indian land I see!
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Edited: May 24, 2009 @ 14:40
New Post! May 24, 2009 @ 15:44:25#21
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New Post! May 24, 2009 @ 17:32:29#22
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We need to practice conservation methods and fund alternative energies at more than a fraction we do the big polluters.
Sharing that technology with the rest of the world will make this globe a safer place for all.
I do not see that happening anytime soon (if ever) as those in power with power will not allow it to happen.

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New Post! May 26, 2009 @ 11:21:21#23
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Some radioactive wase from nuclear power stations does enter the enviroment and is dumped, or pumped, into the Irish Sea. It is labeled low level waste but there's lots of it. Nevertheless I support the Nuclear Option, especially the Fast Breeders like those used by the French. These reuse fuel so minimise waste. I admidt to be just a concerned person, not an expert.
Last Sundays Countryfile shower a tidal turbine in Northern Ireland. It was like a wind turbine but under water. Tydal flow is more reliable than wind. As there is no damb involved sea life can swim by safetly. This happens when the tydal flow is minimum so the turbine winched out of the water. It seems an ideal system.
However we do need some base load generating stations so for now we need both coal and nuclear. Waste mamagement needs to be improved for both.
I was not awair of the mercury problem. Is all coal equally contaminated?
Plus in parallel with power generation we need more energy efficient homes and equiptment. This is being done but too slowly.

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New Post! May 26, 2009 @ 19:04:20#24
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All coal is not equal. Quality differs.

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New Post! Sep 19, 2009 @ 14:31:07#25
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yeah..because they think that nuclear power
plants are very hazardous. and its very risky to build such projects because they assume that they have no people to rely on and this might cause a tragic accident! just like what happen to other country who made the the same thing..building nuclear power plant!

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New Post! Sep 22, 2009 @ 03:46:43#26
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im_your_paperdoll said:

yeah..because they think that nuclear power
plants are very hazardous. and its very risky to build such projects because they assume that they have no people to rely on and this might cause a tragic accident! just like what happen to other country who made the the same thing..building nuclear power plant!


The biggest concerns are actually waht to do with the VERY LONG TERM waste problem AND terrorism getting a hold of the waste or hitting the plant and detonating it.
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