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 Apr 18, 2008 @ 17:02:41 | #2 | saegespaene
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Join Date: Jan 2008 | If you spread (real) manure on your soil, you should turn it afterwards... It has to be 'in' the soil for it to have any effect on the root-systems of what you might be planting... and Yes, I'd say it would be better than just dumping top-soil on turned dirt. How do you know where the 'top-soil' came from, or whether it has any nutrients left in it? At least, by adding the nutrients (natural manure, or the bagged material from where-ever) to your soil, you know you are making a positive difference!  I like to add peat-moss to the mix too, so that the moisture stays in the top soil longer...
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| Apr 18, 2008 @ 17:26:29 | #3 | odie
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Join Date: Sep 2007 | saegespaene said: If you spread (real) manure on your soil, you should turn it afterwards... It has to be 'in' the soil for it to have any effect on the root-systems of what you might be planting... and Yes, I'd say it would be better than just dumping top-soil on turned dirt. How do you know where the 'top-soil' came from, or whether it has any nutrients left in it? At least, by adding the nutrients (natural manure, or the bagged material from where-ever) to your soil, you know you are making a positive difference! I like to add peat-moss to the mix too, so that the moisture stays in the top soil longer...
oh thankyou, that was a huge help!
its just the bagged manure, so I will put it on the soil, then turn everything then.
thanks oh thanks!
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| Apr 18, 2008 @ 18:00:54 | #4 | saegespaene
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Join Date: Jan 2008 | odie said:
its just the bagged manure, so I will put it on the soil, then turn everything then.
This is the natural product, right? Not the prepared chemicals for scattering (Scotts Turf-builder and the like)? If you just have granulated sand and chemicals, that stuff will get into the ground when it rains, and you don't have to turn the soil.... unless, of course, the soil is non-absorbant, hard-as-a-rock.
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| Apr 18, 2008 @ 21:39:53 | #6 | odie
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Join Date: Sep 2007 | saegespaene said: If you spread (real) manure on your soil, you should turn it afterwards... It has to be 'in' the soil for it to have any effect on the root-systems of what you might be planting... and Yes, I'd say it would be better than just dumping top-soil on turned dirt. How do you know where the 'top-soil' came from, or whether it has any nutrients left in it? At least, by adding the nutrients (natural manure, or the bagged material from where-ever) to your soil, you know you are making a positive difference! I like to add peat-moss to the mix too, so that the moisture stays in the top soil longer...
I did find out that soil should never be turned over.........to many perennials are there, apparently just put 1-2 inches of manure on top and the worms and critters will get it down there.
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| Apr 21, 2008 @ 02:02:03 | #8 | saegespaene
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Join Date: Jan 2008 | odie said:
I did find out that soil should never be turned over.........to many perennials are there, apparently just put 1-2 inches of manure on top and the worms and critters will get it down there.
Well, Odie, I would agree...to disagree. It really would depend on what it is you're trying to cultivate! 
I used to have an Irish neighbor, and every fall he would take a pitchfork and a spade, and work over his entire front lawn. (Yes, he was a wirey, grouchy ol' Irishman.) Every spring, his lawn would burst right out of the ground. He wasn't even adding any manure. It was just the natural decomposition of the old gra** that would feed the new.... There is a rhythm to nature, and he found it. If you don't wish to disturb your plantings, you can scatter your manure as you wish... With the rains and good luck, enough of it will still get into the soil, but a good portion of the nutrient gases will become airborne, and your neighbors will be all the wiser!
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| Apr 27, 2008 @ 22:02:43 | #11 | odie
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Join Date: Sep 2007 | saegespaene said: Well, Odie, I would agree...to disagree. It really would depend on what it is you're trying to cultivate!
I used to have an Irish neighbor, and every fall he would take a pitchfork and a spade, and work over his entire front lawn. (Yes, he was a wirey, grouchy ol' Irishman.) Every spring, his lawn would burst right out of the ground. He wasn't even adding any manure. It was just the natural decomposition of the old gra** that would feed the new.... There is a rhythm to nature, and he found it. If you don't wish to disturb your plantings, you can scatter your manure as you wish... With the rains and good luck, enough of it will still get into the soil, but a good portion of the nutrient gases will become airborne, and your neighbors will be all the wiser!
my gardens are filled with perennials, by turning over the soils, some plants that are just starting to grow, do get dug into.
so now, I will wait for everything to emerge safely and then do it.
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