this is a slightly different thread with a slightly different intention than the other one, i'm not suggesting a full boycott that a small percentage of people would participate, i'm suggesting the use of common sense in a way that almost everyone could participate in.

we are slaves to corporate chemical manufacturers. they know it, and you should know it. so this isn't about not being slaves anymore, that's too ambitious. this is about reason.

everytime we use these chemicals, bad s**t happens. it goes into the water, the soil, the air. the process of manufacturing it puts stuff in the water, the soil, and air. the packaging goes into the soil, and then the water. and the chemicals go in our lungs and sit around the house, affecting us and our pets.

and of course, the animal torture. now i know most people (obviously) think, so what, it's necessary. whatever, if you insist it is, i'm not going to try to convince you when your mind is made up.

i won't point out that you can just look for labels that say "no animal testing," because you probably go to a store where most products don't have them, and you can't be bothered, and the stuff is more expensive and you don't like it as much. fine.

but you know, you are probably using more chemicals than you need. i'm not saying don't clean your toilet and counters (although i wouldn't try doing both at the same time) or don't mop the floors, i'm saying, you probably use more chemicals than you need. and more chemicals = more animal torture.

so what you can do about this is simple. don't go out of your way to cut down on using them. don't go crazy, don't become a granola-munching hippie because it just isn't done anymore. all i'm saying is look around. you may find there's a simple way to use a smaller amount of harsh chemical s**t in your home.

me, i'm already thinking more about it because of the animal testing. this week i found an old can of febreze air effects, which is a lot nicer than that glade freshener crap people choke themselves with. so i was happy to find it because you know? it really does wonders for the (aromas) atmosphere around the place. i was thinking of buying a new can of it to try out another scent.

but since it's made by one of these nasty corporations that torture animals, i'm thinking, "you know what? i really don't need it at all." i know some people might, maybe you breed animals, or have a pet ferret, but i don't. so i'm never buying it again. i don't need it it's that simple.

less profit for animal torturers, equals less torture. anything you can do would add up if it was as simple as everyone doing one little thing. you know the american products from lay's are getting healthier and healthier as people think more about things like msg and bht, the latter is banned in the uk anyway.

they're still using gmo's i'm sure, but the idea of eating organic is a lot more popular than it used to be, and it proves that even a percentage increase in awareness affects the coporate reality. the real power is how money is spent, always take the opportunity to vote your will with your dollars (or pounds or euros, etc.) politicians won't change anything against the will of buyers.


mary matalin <-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- 0 -|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-> marlee matlin

Um....


Which chemicals?


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oh that's simple.

all of the ones that don't say "no animal testing."

i'm not suggesting people switch to the ones that use no animal testing, if people were going to bother with that they would have already.

i'm suggesting an alternative, realizing there are some chemicals you just don't need at all, or don't need to use as much of.

switching to cruelty-free chemicals is more expensive than what people are doing now (and noble.) since most people aren't noble, i'm trying to appeal to practicality. use less of all kinds of chemicals, which is less expensive than what people are doing now. it's like having an extra $10 or £10 a week because you cut back on smoking.


mary matalin <-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- 0 -|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-> marlee matlin

No one goes to the store and buys individual chemicals. They buy formulations from companies. Some do animal testing but most don't.

I'm unsure what you're asking or proposing here. Are you saying that people should use more cosmetics from companies that don't do animal testing? Is this about the environment, animal testing, personal health, or what?


"TUFF! EVOLVE FASTER NEXT TIME AND YOU WILL BE THE ONE WITH THE SPEAR!" -doubtingthomas

link [www.chickenout.tv] this was a HUGE HUGE campaign in the UK earlier in the year. One TV channel was dedicated to promoting healthier and cruelty free produce for a whole week.

Many people took part, i myself am a member of chicken out.

The mainstream supermarkets put up much resistance, making organic meat practically impossible to get hold of. Putting the price of battery produce down to ridiculous money so that people soon forgot the campaign and went back to buying intensively farmed meat.

Even the people involved in the campaign have actually been banned from certain stores.

On the good side, one mainstream supermarket in the UK is going over to complete free range stock, Hellmans mayyonaise is going to be producing only free range stock, the EU are changing the laws on battery hens to make the surroundings more humane.

I don't think its pointless to educate people about what products they are using. I think there are few working cla** families that can actually afford to adopt moral purchasing and it is made so difficult by massive companies such as Walmart (Asda's) and Tesco in the UK to make a moral purchase.

I also feel that many people choose not to think about it.

But Hey! progress is being made and people are much more aware about what is in the stuff we buy.


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I remember reading in the feedback section of New Scientist about a skincare product which claimed to be 'chemical free'.

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