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 Mar 11, 2008 @ 20:11:05 | #1 | bluntmaster69
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Join Date: Mar 2008 | Ok I'm going to ask that we stay away from whether or not abortion should be legal and stick to the topic at hand: why do men have no right to choose?
The decision to carry the child is entirely the woman's, and rightfully so. However, it is very hypocritical and unjust to say that the woman's decision to keep the child should obligate the father to pay child support to a child he didn't want. Once the child is born, and both parents have consented to its birth, then they should be obligated to raise it, but when the man says straight from the get-go that he does not consent to being a father, the woman should have no right to force him. Let's look at some of the arguments for abortion and how they also relate to child support:
"A woman has the right to bodily autonomy."
The man has the right to own property free from seizure unless he has committed a crime, so unless we are to call sex a crime, the man should not be obligated to cough up his money.
"Every child should be a wanted child."
Unless you're a man, in which case whether you want the child or not you have to take care of it.
"She consented to sex, not to pregnancy."
Neither did he.
The list goes on, everything that can be said for abortion also applies to male abortions. Bottom line: people should not be financially obligated by the choice of another person. |   | |
| Mar 25, 2008 @ 11:54:54 | #4 | exodia22
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Join Date: Mar 2008 | pregnancy is very hard on a women, but a solo dad divorced working to pay for his children, can be even worse.
People dont realize that one...
My dad divorced my mom when i was 7, my brother was 2, the burden was much harder on my dad than my mom heres why...
i was my moms slave with my brother growing up she had 4 more tiny arms and hands to actually help her along the way (as we grew older we were still slaves but we were not tiny) we would wash her car, clean the house, pick up our toys or we get beat by my mom. she forced me to help at her janitorial job at our church, no pay no allowance ever, my dad had to pay some odd 400 dollars a month to her...
my dad has lost 3 houses now, hes bankrupt, jobless, and the courts are now paying for my brothers child support...
so im gonna raise a right hand and say my dad had it worse off...
people out there that are so sexist, its just as bad as racism... hate ism
im not saying my mom was a bad mom and im not gonna say my dad was a better dad, cause thats just sexist...
i dare moms out there to scream at there divorced husbands for the child support... my dad has been through so much to find ends meat im just proud he hasn't blown his head off
yet. | | | |
| Apr 02, 2008 @ 15:11:51 | #6 | greyguitar
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Join Date: Feb 2008 | exodia22 said:
pregnancy is very hard on a women, but a solo dad divorced working to pay for his children, can be even worse.
People dont realize that one...
My dad divorced my mom when i was 7, my brother was 2, the burden was much harder on my dad than my mom heres why...
i was my moms slave with my brother growing up she had 4 more tiny arms and hands to actually help her along the way (as we grew older we were still slaves but we were not tiny) we would wash her car, clean the house, pick up our toys or we get beat by my mom. she forced me to help at her janitorial job at our church, no pay no allowance ever, my dad had to pay some odd 400 dollars a month to her...
my dad has lost 3 houses now, hes bankrupt, jobless, and the courts are now paying for my brothers child support...
so im gonna raise a right hand and say my dad had it worse off...
people out there that are so sexist, its just as bad as racism... hate ism
im not saying my mom was a bad mom and im not gonna say my dad was a better dad, cause thats just sexist...
i dare moms out there to scream at there divorced husbands for the child support... my dad has been through so much to find ends meat im just proud he hasn't blown his head off
yet.
My parents were divorced when I was younger than you were when yours did. I have 2 brothers who remember better than I do, but my father never paid one cent in child support.
We were also, as you said, slaves. We helped her out with her jobs and the house, but she fed us and loved us when he was nowhere to be found.
My point is that there are plenty of men out there who did consent to having children...committed to the fact and then backed out without the least compunction. We were poor and struggling while he was out marrying other women and having nothing to do with the children that he begot. He still contributes nothing to our lives to this day...fatherly or otherwise.
There are many sides to every societal dilemma. There will always be someone who wants kids and is the villain for suing for child support, or a woman who didn't want a kid, got knocked up and decided to have an abortion and gets villainized...
No matter what happens,the subject of the Rights of Life will always be a touchy subject...and incredibly, it is all subjective.
There are tons of people who say that they would NEVER do something,or, they are positive that they know how they would react to something until they are faced with it.
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| Apr 02, 2008 @ 16:04:53 | #7 | exodia22
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Join Date: Mar 2008 | greyguitar:
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My parents were divorced when I was younger than you were when yours did. I have 2 brothers who remember better than I do, but my father never paid one cent in child support.
We were also, as you said, slaves. We helped her out with her jobs and the house, but she fed us and loved us when he was nowhere to be found.
My point is that there are plenty of men out there who did consent to having children...committed to the fact and then backed out without the least compunction. We were poor and struggling while he was out marrying other women and having nothing to do with the children that he begot. He still contributes nothing to our lives to this day...fatherly or otherwise.
There are many sides to every societal dilemma. There will always be someone who wants kids and is the villain for suing for child support, or a woman who didn't want a kid, got knocked up and decided to have an abortion and gets villainized...
No matter what happens,the subject of the Rights of Life will always be a touchy subject...and incredibly, it is all subjective.
There are tons of people who say that they would NEVER do something,or, they are positive that they know how they would react to something until they are faced with it.
well i made one statement you understand for sure...
i love my mother and father equally. yet my dad has it more
"rough" than my mom, im just sick of trying to judge everyone... how did god do it. he can sit there and judge, judge, judge, judge, judge, judge, and judge, im just done with the whole judge theory, im starting to grade judge just as bad as hate. to judge is to hate.
why cant i get out of this hole of judgment... like an addicion a love, to judge.
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| Apr 02, 2008 @ 16:36:39 | #8 | greyguitar
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Join Date: Feb 2008 | exodia22 said: greyguitar:
well i made one statement you understand for sure...
i love my mother and father equally. yet my dad has it more
"rough" than my mom, im just sick of trying to judge everyone... how did god do it. he can sit there and judge, judge, judge, judge, judge, judge, and judge, im just done with the whole judge theory, im starting to grade judge just as bad as hate. to judge is to hate.
why cant i get out of this hole of judgment... like an addicion a love, to judge.
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yup, I understand.  I am also going to *gasp* agree with you 
I agree about judgment. The only person that we are fit to judge are ourselves and by our own standards, not some preset guidelines laid out by man. | | | |
| Apr 02, 2008 @ 17:29:50 | #11 | exodia22
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Join Date: Mar 2008 | topic has switched to judgment, to judge, judge
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I, personally, don't think that humans will ever stop judging one another. In the early 20's, anthropologists were trying to gradiate humans into a hierarchy of superiority with white people being the highest on the list...utter crap, but they justified a lot of ills with it.
People are still using superiority to justify their behavior...and I think that it will always be thus.
Patriotism, racism, religious persecution...all common threads of using a perceived superiority to justify judgment passed and carried out.
Sorry...off topic.
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