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 May 26, 2008 @ 16:10:29 | #78 | tommytoxen
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Join Date: Dec 2007 | mark_is_god said:
i know my facts, haven't you read any of this thread?
i've mentioned dozens of facts regarding the pistols and their formation and their management
i've also corrected you on facts (post 20)
not being able to name a bands whole discography does not prove i know nothing of the band.
Considering you're only a kid and wasn't there, and probably don't even have the heart & soul of punk in you, the lifestyle, the culture, the social aspects of 'punk'.... your facts mean squat.
Yes, I'm only 23 myself, but I was brought up with it. Mum being a punk and Dad being a Skin.
The Clash made the mistake of mixing punk with politics, where the Pistols stuck to the true ideology of punk.
The Clash went all Communist, which set the standards for Oi! to go the other way to counter Punk being over-taken by University rich kid art Stalin-loving Commie bastard students.
The Sex Pistols were.. what they were. They couldn't sing, they could barely play, their lyrics were pure energy based on the surrounding social aspects of the time, but they made sure they were a-political.
The Clash were for the rich kids basically. The fancy la de da Soviet-bumming art students.
This is why many of us moved to Oi! -- we went back to the working classed roots of Punk and away from the rich kids playing 'Commie' to look cool such as Joe Strummer.
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| May 27, 2008 @ 14:42:03 | #80 | mark_is_god
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Join Date: Aug 2006 | tommytoxen said:
Considering you're only a kid and wasn't there, and probably don't even have the heart & soul of punk in you, the lifestyle, the culture, the social aspects of 'punk'.... your facts mean squat.
Yes, I'm only 23 myself, but I was brought up with it. Mum being a punk and Dad being a Skin.
The Clash made the mistake of mixing punk with politics, where the Pistols stuck to the true ideology of punk.
The Clash went all Communist, which set the standards for Oi! to go the other way to counter Punk being over-taken by University rich kid art Stalin-loving Commie bastard students.
The Sex Pistols were.. what they were. They couldn't sing, they could barely play, their lyrics were pure energy based on the surrounding social aspects of the time, but they made sure they were a-political.
The Clash were for the rich kids basically. The fancy la de da Soviet-bumming art students.
This is why many of us moved to Oi! -- we went back to the working classed roots of Punk and away from the rich kids playing 'Commie' to look cool such as Joe Strummer.
maths isn't your strong point is it.
you weren't "there" either.
"my" facts (well the facts are coming from the band members and mclaren.) mean everything, they prove mclaren whored the band into a manufactured band.
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| May 27, 2008 @ 22:00:18 | #83 | mark_is_god
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Join Date: Aug 2006 | rockdave said:
mcclaren is also a lying tosspot and his side of the story tends to ommit that he gave them hardly any financial backing, very little advice, never wrote any of the songs. what you seem to fail to mention is its also the managers duty to sell the band, get them deals for decent companies by any means nessacary.
tommy's opinion is more valid than either of ours. you didnt have to be there to know all about it. they were so much manufactured as tweaked as to being as they needed to be (minus sid woulda been better)
he may be a liar, we don' know, and also for all we know johnny Matlock and jones could lying c**ts as well.
but the majority of things ive said are based on books from johnny and i think glen matlock.
yes managers have dutys, but the band members have dutys, which the manager really shouldn't do for them i.e naming the band.
you misunderstound me completely in regards to the other guy.
im criticizing him for implying, what im saying means less because i wasn't there.
hes the one who thinks you had to be there, not me
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| May 27, 2008 @ 23:07:57 | #85 | mark_is_god
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Join Date: Aug 2006 | rockdave said:
what your saying means less as you aint even a fan of punk, you have no idea what those songs mean to us.
i dont see why the manager shouldnt pick the name of the band, if its a cool enough name then thats fair enough. you also didnt seem to mention it was bernie rhodes that made the clash political, thus the manager being a considerable influence on what the genre now stands for
woah calm down horsey, where did i say i didn't like punk?.
not being a huge fan of the pistols does not mean i don't like punk.
there's nothing wrong with it, but it makes the band manufactured, notice i haven't actually said being manufactured is a bad thing.
yes i did fail too mention that, bernie rhodes made the clash political.
i also failed too mention what colour my socks are.
because they're both irrelevant, too what im discussing.
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i thought ya said earlier on that ya much prefered people who could actually play and that 
