A good beating as a way of teaching people respect.

@Conflict Said

I see. Well, the game Batman Arkham City has popularised the phrase "getting your a** kicked 101". The joker uses this phrase and he also talks about "teaching batman some respect" in their fight.

Is this relevant to the concepts you have put forth?

@Tradesecret Said

corporal punishment or discipline are different things.

@Leon Said

Corporal punishment is a highly effective method of getting someone in line on the short term, but on the long term, it has damaging repercussions. This is why those who are on the lazier side do it and why those who are willing to put in the time, effort, and expenditure it takes to utilize alternatives don't.

@Eaglebauer Said



Discipline and punishment of any kind are actually different things. Discipline is something for people to learn what is right and wrong in their environment. It's for people who do things considered wrong and who don't understand it, but have the capacity to understand. Punishment is for those who do willingly wrong and already know it's wrong, and there's nothing immoral about punishment. It just needs to be the right kind.

The best results are gained by positive reinforcement for doing right though.

Respect is something earned. It isn't something you can take by force from anyone. What you gain in beating someone into submission is their fear and often their quiet contempt.

@Conflict Said

Some call it corporal punishment, others call it an a** kicking - it goes by many different names in many different cultures. Barring psychopaths or sociopaths, it's usually meant to be used as a way of teaching people respect, or a lesson when they get out of line, or are thought to get out of line, by their peers, their parents, or even their enemies.

The question I'd like to pose is, where does this philosiphy come from and why is it practiced?

@Eaglebauer Said

Nothing I ever mention in a serious discussion about human behavior will ever have anything to do with a tagline from a video game.

Do you understand that certain things in the entertainment industry are not ever meant to be anything more than entertainment? I'm asking this in earnest because you've ascribed a lot of very weighty ideas on nothing more than movie quotes and lines out of video games. It's kind of concerning, actually.

@Conflict Said

Films and video games feature real life attitudes. With the exception of a few that exaggerate or parody the way life works - they're a reflection of our world. Filmmakers like Stephen Spielberg or James Cameron would argue that films do make valid human arguments.

I stand by my example. The joker puts into a practice a crazed variation of the subject of this topic, but in its mad way, it still represents giving batman a good beating to force batman into submission - something gorillas still do, actually.

@Conflict Said

Films and video games feature real life attitudes. With the exception of a few that exaggerate or parody the way life works - they're a reflection of our world. Filmmakers like Stephen Spielberg or James Cameron would argue that films do make valid human arguments.

I stand by my example. The joker puts into a practice a crazed variation of the subject of this topic, but in its mad way, it still represents giving batman a good beating to force batman into submission - something gorillas still do, actually.

@Jennifer1984 Said

Films can be used to showcase a historical incident. Spielgerg made "Schindler's List", which brought to a wide audience the humanitarian act of Oskar Schindler who saved thousands of Jews from the dreadful brutality of the Nazis. The audience was left to decide whether to either accept the film in its entirety or seek further historical information to separate fact from entertainment. I chose to do the latter and not only became better informed, but also had my humanitarian and pacifist views reinforced by the experience.

The violence depicted in the film was sickeningly extreme but necessary for the story development. It was not what I would call gratuitous or 'glamourising' the horror of what happened, rather, the moral of the film was to make the point that the human spirit can overcome the most terrible evil, and that one good man can make a difference amid the appalling horror of war.

I too am frustrated by your constant conflating of the fantasy world of video gaming and ludicrous superhero /anti-hero movie making. The Joker doesn't actually exist, at least in the way you seem to think he does. He is the product of a warped imagination. Somebody may decide to take up that identity but then that person would be a copycat... in which case it would be life imitating 'art' (for want of a better word) rather than art reflecting reality.

I'm afraid it appears you clutch at straws to support your apparent view that violence in life is not only inevitable but necessary.

I'm afraid I can't support that view. Violence occurs, but it is not inevitable. There is always an alternative.

Nobody can be criticised for defending themselves - with the minimum amount of force necessary - but such a defence would not be needed if the individual was not first put at risk from an aggressor and I argue that in such a case, the alternative to violence was available in the first instance to the aggressor.

Violence need never be the first option.

And to get back to the original point, it should NEVER EVER be inflicted on children by adults for any reason.

@Conflict Said

Let's take the film Little Odessa for example. I wish to use this because this film is a documentary style film about how dads use the belt to proverbially kick their sons a** as a means of disciplining them.

Now, there is the element of mental laziness to consider. Shall we say that the father of the main protagonist was acting with what we might call a lack of regard for cereberal methods of resolving problems?